I’m so confused…

[TennVols12]

Need some help here fellas…..How can #12 Duke be a 5-seed, #13 Xavier be a 3-seed, #17 A&M be a 7-seed, and #20 Tennessee be a 4-seed?

Genuinely, I don’t understand..

 

[OrangeVolMan]

The people voting in the polls are not the same people who determine the seeds.

 

[TennVols12]

The people voting in the polls are not the same people who determine the seeds.

Welp, I guess that ends this thread. Thanks for the clarification buddy.

 

[rev_911]

Welp, I guess that ends this thread. Thanks for the clarification buddy.

I mean he did answer the question. That is the reason. Haha

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Same reason the CFP committee rankings aren’t the same as the AP poll, 2 different sets of voters.

 

[Vol49er]

The people voting in the polls are not the same people who determine the seeds.

This, and also I think the two groups are doing slightly different things. The AP poll voters are directed to vote for who they think are the best teams. The NCAA committee is directed to seed moreso by the most deserving teams. The teams with the best resumes. So if you are a team with great wins but dont pass the eye test, the committee will favor you more than the AP poll, and vice versa

 

[cncchris33]

I mean he did answer the question. That is the reason. Haha

Exactly...the Selection Committee has its own set of parameters for seeding teams the way they do, and at no point is the media's opinion (AP Poll) taken into account. A lot of times, they mirror each other, especially at the top, but most often, there a distinct variances. That is mostly because the committee considers the entire body of work while the AP Poll and its voters are prisoners of the moment and relegate their moves and decisions relative to the most recent results.

 

[volfeeva]

How did Miss. St get picked for the play offs over Vandy ? Miss St 21-13 ( 8-10 in conference ) and 5-5 in their last 10 games. Vandy was 21-14 ( 11-7 in conference) and 8-2 in last 10 games. I think what a team does in the last 10 games should be weighted more than their first 10 games

 

[zaqhhh]

The AP doesn't factor into anything the Committee does. It is quite literally apples to oranges.

The AP is just an arbitrary source of rankings for in-season status.

For reference, during Football season the AP rankings are used until such time that the CFP ratings are released then everyone uses those instead.

The use of the AP is more tradition than anything else, it has no real value.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

The AP Poll across all sports is basically a recency bias metric. It’s entire point is to capture the best teams in that moment, and not necessarily the best resumes of teams throughout a season. Win/Loss record is also heavily factored into the AP Poll, and when you consider some teams like Mizzou and Miss State played basically no one in the non-conference, their W/L record is a bit inflated.

TAMU also has some truly horrific losses on their resume. The AP Poll in March does not care what you did in December. Again, it’s all about recency bias. But the Selection Committee definitely cares that TAMU lost to Wofford at home.

 

[TNVOLFN]

Need some help here fellas…..How can #12 Duke be a 5-seed, #13 Xavier be a 3-seed, #17 A&M be a 7-seed, and #20 Tennessee be a 4-seed?

Genuinely, I don’t understand..

I stop following the polls as soon as the committee releases their top 16 seeds publicly. At that point, you realize the difference between the voters and the selection committee, just like last year when the Vols were #5 in the AP and Coaches poll going into the tournament, but got screwed out of a 2 seed... I remember a few years ago when Larry Brown was coach at SMU and and thye were a top 25 team who missed the tournament.

 

[kckempf]

How did Miss. St get picked for the play offs over Vandy ? Miss St 21-13 ( 8-10 in conference ) and 5-5 in their last 10 games. Vandy was 21-14 ( 11-7 in conference) and 8-2 in last 10 games. I think what a team does in the last 10 games should be weighted more than their first 10 games

Committee seemingly changes their criteria every year but in general if you want to do better you want to be higher in the NET rankings. MSU at 49, Vanderbilt at 81, so it wasn’t close. I think Pittsburgh might have been the lowest ranked team in the NET to make it in? They were 67. You really can’t have any expectations if you’re down in the 80s.

 

[sechamp2012]

Need some help here fellas…..How can #12 Duke be a 5-seed, #13 Xavier be a 3-seed, #17 A&M be a 7-seed, and #20 Tennessee be a 4-seed?

Genuinely, I don’t understand..

Metrics, UT has beat 3 Top 10 teams and many other variables KenPom, NET etc..you can’t be a drive by fan or more subtly a casual reader of Win/ Loss record and understand it.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

Same reason the CFP committee rankings aren’t the same as the AP poll, 2 different sets of voters.

Also add to that the seed can take in more data. Voters can see 2 teams with equal record and view them differently. With seeding and the CFP rankings you mentioned criteria should be used like SOS, big wins bad losses etc... Just rank voters typically don't get that detailed. It showed how moronically uneducated Georgia fans were about not being ranked #1 in the first playoffs. Everyone with eyeball test said Georgia was the best but up to that point when the Playoff rankings began now the decision of who has accomplished more to that point of seeding was clear Tennessee had accomplished more. It worked itself after that but UGA fans were all butthurt but the right decision was made.

As for ranking THE basketball teams same principle there are plenty of teams even in our own conference with the similar records as us but when you see we beat Kansas on a neutral court Texas at home and had the guts to play at Arizona. Some of other SEC teams records may be better or same but who's "resume was more accomplished" makes the seeding different than just eyeball test rankings.

 

[TennVols12]

I mean he did answer the question. That is the reason. Haha

Yes, I have no rebuttal. He answered my question 100%.

 

[tennesseeduke]

Need some help here fellas…..How can #12 Duke be a 5-seed, #13 Xavier be a 3-seed, #17 A&M be a 7-seed, and #20 Tennessee be a 4-seed?

Genuinely, I don’t understand..

A knot plus a knot equals a double knot!

 

[turbovol]

The Selection Committee uses a lot of metrics that are not used by those voting in the weekly rankings.

 

[omghulkhands]

I am sure someone has already mentioned this.

But selection committee has moved to body of work, while polls factor recency.

 

[terrypedigo]

Need some help here fellas…..How can #12 Duke be a 5-seed, #13 Xavier be a 3-seed, #17 A&M be a 7-seed, and #20 Tennessee be a 4-seed?

Genuinely, I don’t understand..

They say the body of work for the entire season.