I cant help but wonder..

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What it would be like if Earnhardt Sr was still alive and racing and running DEI, setting up the cars, jr still racing for dei ect. I think his impact on the sport was profound and we may not even be watching the same racing we are today if he was still around.
 
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Oh ok, you convinced me. Not what this thread was about. more along the lines of asking, Would Jr be winning more races? would we be racing in the C.O.T etc.
 
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I don't. Senior lived for racing. If he could be in a car, he would, at least a part time schedule. And junior would already have a championship. Senior would not let him settle like he has.
 
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doozer said:
no he wouldn't.

Junior hasn't settled. he's just not that good.
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Junior is a lot better than he looks. I would put most of his bad times on Eury Jr. If he could pull himself away from Eury, his results would be much better.
 
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joevol24 said:
Junior is a lot better than he looks. I would put most of his bad times on Eury Jr. If he could pull himself away from Eury, his results would be much better.
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no he's not.

middle of the road driver with middle of the road crew chief equals middle of the road results.
 
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I remember reading years ago that he'd planned on retiring after the 2002 season and along with running DEI wanted to do some sports car racing. Apparently he really fell in love with that when he did the 24 Hours of Daytona.
 
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doozer said:
no he's not.

middle of the road driver with middle of the road crew chief equals middle of the road results.
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Everyone has their own opinion. Junior has more control over his car than most. Doesn't always use it for good, such as his intentional spin a couple years ago, but the guy can drive. Not as good as shrub, but he can drive. I don't think anyone has the talent shrub has and i can't stand the guy.
 
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joevol24 said:
Everyone has their own opinion. Junior has more control over his car than most. Doesn't always use it for good, such as his intentional spin a couple years ago, but the guy can drive. Not as good as shrub, but he can drive. I don't think anyone has the talent shrub has and i can't stand the guy.
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Jr. can't race. And you can't win by simply driving. He doesn't have it. It has little to do with Eury. Jr. just isn't that good. Smoke, both Gordons, Johnson, both Bushes, Harvick, Martin, Biffle, Kenseth, Burton, Kahne and McMurray are all light years ahead of Little E when it comes to actual racing.
 
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What exactly has McMurray done to be put into the same category as Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, the Busch brothers, Greg Biffle, etc.?
 
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tidwell said:
What exactly has McMurray done to be put into the same category as Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, the Busch brothers, Greg Biffle, etc.?
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not a lot, but I still contend he's a better racer. There's time for driving and racing. McMurray and Little E are on opposite ends of the spectrum on when to do each.
 
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But what have you seen from him to make you think he's some great "racer?" All of the wins he's piled up? The way he took a team that won a championship two years before he arrived and has won exactly one race in 3+ years?
 
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tidwell said:
But what have you seen from him to make you think he's some great "racer?" All of the wins he's piled up? The way he took a team that won a championship two years before he arrived and has won exactly one race in 3+ years?
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just the way he handles the car. He screws up A LOT. But I really think if he could get a handle on how to drive for 400 miles and race for the other 100, he'd do a lot better.
 
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ridethelightening said:
What could have done to prevent that?
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There are those that believe DE's influence was so great on NASCAR that the Frances would have went to him when they were thinking about things like the Chase and the new car and that not only would he have shot them down, but they wouldn't be in the sport today.

I am not one of those people.
 
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Ill go out on a limb and guess that Earnhardt wouldnt have anyone named Juan Pablo Montoya under the Earnhardt racing banner
 
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JR would still be at DEI because it would rank right up there with Hendrick, Roush, and JGR as the best ran teams in Nascar.
 
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How good would Junior be if Dale was his crew chief? anyone think he would have enjoyed that?
 
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i'm not really sure i can put McMurray in the same category as Stewart, the Busch Bros., Gordon, Johnson, etc. either. he's off to a halfway decent start this year though.
 
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d4ster3 said:
Ill go out on a limb and guess that Earnhardt wouldnt have anyone named Juan Pablo Montoya under the Earnhardt racing banner
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if a guy can drive, a guy can drive. it doesn't matter what his name is or where he came from.
 
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doozer said:
i'm not really sure i can put McMurray in the same category as Stewart, the Busch Bros., Gordon, Johnson, etc. either. he's off to a halfway decent start this year though.
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Isn't he back with his original crew chief? I don't think he's one of the best in NASCAR, I just think he's really good at actual racing. I don't know how else to explain it. He can't just sit there and drive the track and pick the right spots and times to race though.

I guess this goes under the assumption that I don't believe the majority of NASCAR drivers are actually racing every lap. A lot of time they are "driving the track". That is staying on the best line for them and making sure they don't cause trouble. You can even pass other cars just "driving", simply because you are running a quicker line or have a better set up. But I also think there are times when cars are equal or even run the same line, and you have to actually race, ie go harder into the turns, hit the gas sooner coming out it, get the other car loose, force them up or down the track, etc. I think the drivers I mentioned, including McMurray are good at that. The difference is drivers like Johnson, Bush and Gordon are also good at just "driving".
 
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