I found out yesterday from one of my super flaming liberal friends.... that .... the

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United States military is an entitlement program.

I think he wanted to get in a fist fight with me.

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yep... our bravest men/women are entitled to sacrifice years of time apart from family at average (maybe) pay while putting their lives on the line... when they get injured, they're entitled to govt healthcare under the VA....
 
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Daddy Gee said:
yep... our bravest men/women are entitled to sacrifice years of time apart from family at average (maybe) pay while putting their lives on the line... when they get injured, they're entitled to govt healthcare under the VA....
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They do not have to get injured to be entitled to government healthcare under the VA. If they serve they are entitled to VA healthcare.
 
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You might need to find a smarter friend.
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Vols378 said:
They do not have to get injured to be entitled to government healthcare under the VA. If they serve they are entitled to VA healthcare.
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I technically rate disability (40%) and I don't have access to VA Healthcare.

You have to retire to get VA Healthcare as far as I'm aware.
 
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DC Vol said:
I technically rate disability (40%) and I don't have access to VA Healthcare.

You have to retire to get VA Healthcare as far as I'm aware.
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My dad served during the Korean conflict in the 1950's .
He only served 2 years and was not injured. He gets VA healthcare.
 
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I view my VA benefits an entitlement no different from Medicare or Medicaid (they are only different in terms of qualification - age v. income v. service). I tend to think they should be limited to wounded veterans. As a result, I have never used them.

EDIT: I want to make clear that in no way do I view the military itself as an entitlement. I only view VA benefits to non-injured soldiers that way.
 
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paul1454 said:
i view my va benefits an entitlement no different from medicare or medicaid (they are only different in terms of qualification - age v. Income v. Service). I tend to think they should be limited to wounded veterans. As a result, i have never used them.

Edit: I want to make clear that in no way do i view the military itself as an entitlement. I only view va benefits to non-injured soldiers that way.
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paul1454 said:
I view my VA benefits an entitlement no different from Medicare or Medicaid (they are only different in terms of qualification - age v. income v. service). I tend to think they should be limited to wounded veterans. As a result, I have never used them.

EDIT: I want to make clear that in no way do I view the military itself as an entitlement. I only view VA benefits to non-injured soldiers that way.
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Some, including myself, would argue that most, if not all, soldiers are injured in some form or fashion. I consider an entitlement as something that one doesn't deserve. If we could choose where our taxes were spent this would be one place I would have no problem putting a check mark by.
 
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tim said:
Some, including myself, would argue that most, if not all, soldiers are injured in some form or fashion. I consider an entitlement as something that one doesn't deserve. If we could choose where our taxes were spent this would be one place I would have no problem putting a check mark by.
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Pretty much everyone who receives an entitlement thinks the one they receive is different and/or it is justified. My point is that VA benifits are just like any other entitlement to the extent a noninjured veteran (like myself) receIves them.
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paul1454 said:
I view my VA benefits an entitlement no different from Medicare or Medicaid they are only different in terms of qualification - age v. income v. service). I tend to think they should be limited to wounded veterans. As a result, I have never used them.

EDIT: I want to make clear that in no way do I view the military itself as an entitlement. I only view VA benefits to non-injured soldiers that way.
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So when you reach retirement , you are not going to use your Medicare benefits because it is an entitlement ?

My dad never used his VA health care until he retired. Why, I don't know. I never talked to him about it.

I firmly believe any man or woman that serves our country in war, physically wounded or not, has earned their righs to every benefit they receive from the VA.
 
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I don't know that I would call VA benefits to non-injured an entitlement along the lines of Medicare/Medicaid. To me, it's more akin to job benefits. You receive it because of a specific job you took; not because of some demographic characteristic.
 
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Just like any other employer....the VA benefits should go away if you leave the employment of said "company/military"....UNLESS.....you reach retirement with that company or are injured while in that job.
People that have made the voluntary choice to leave the military should not continue on the medical benefits unless they pay for them. Just like COBRA.
 
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at least OE can talk to his flaming liberal friends, the few I have just spout off about the evils of George W. Bush and Fox News.
 
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To compare military service to any other employer is just ludicrous....

I never served in the military and I can only imagine what these brave men and women go through in war time... Being stuck in a far off country...In most cases the majority of citizens not speaking English...constantly looking to be ambushed eveywhere they goes... having to kill or be killed.... living night and day knowing the enemy is out there, wanting to kill or capture you.....The mental stess has to be unbearable at times....

It's absurd for anyone to say these men and women do not deserve VA benefits. The very least this nation should do is provide our veterans with a few benefits. We would not have all the freedoms we have if not for the brave men and women that have served in our armed forces.
 
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Vols378 said:
To compare military service to any other employer is just ludicrous....

I never served in the military and I can only imagine what these brave men and women go through in war time... Being stuck in a far off country...In most cases the majority of citizens not speaking English...constantly looking to be ambushed eveywhere they goes... having to kill or be killed.... living night and day knowing the enemy is out there, wanting to kill or capture you.....The mental stess has to be unbearable at times....

It's absurd for anyone to say these men and women do not deserve VA benefits. The very least this nation should do is provide our veterans with a few benefits. We would not have all the freedoms we have if not for the brave men and women that have served in our armed forces.
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First off...military service and combat service are two totally different things.
If they are deemed to have mental issues or an injury, then as I said, they should be covered....if not, they have CHOSEN to leave the service....I am all for providing EVERYTHING that they need while active and thereafter for the ones that deserve/need it....I am mostly referring to the ones that stay a while, NEVER see combat, and sponge for the rest of their lives.....and YES, I have many family members that have served and they are in agreement with me
I know that combat is hell, but in the grand scheme, what percentage actually go to war? The past eight acknowledged.
 
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even acknowledging the past eight years, a majority of active military (including guard and reserve) have never seen a combat zone.
 
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I agree there is a big difference in serving in the military and going to combat. I apologize for not making that clear. I agree the soldiers that have not seen combat should not be be entitled. I was referring to those soldiers that have put their life on the line to defend our nation.
I feel that any man/woman that has served in combat is entitled to every benefit our nation can give them. That's just my opinion
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Vols378 said:
I agree there is a big difference in serving in the military and going to combat. I apologize for not making that clear. I agree the soldiers that have not seen combat should not be be entitled. I was referring to those soldiers that have put their life on the line to defend our nation.
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ding, ding, freaking ding!
 
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I served in combat and I just want to be left alone. I am eligible for a VA Home Loan and maybe someday I'll take advantage of that.
 
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Your friend is stupid. If you're in the military you have a right to its best healthcare. Nothing entitled about it.
 
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