I guess Graham Hayes did not get the memo

[madtownvol]

about the LVs being the worst coached, and most underachieving team evah..

[EXPLANATION: Before reporting this post or a mod deleting it, the preceding statement was meant in an ironic fashion-- that means don't take it literally but as a playful critique of the negativity that has been expressed on the board, I-R-O-N-Y].

Anyway, Hayes describes LVs versus ND as two high caliber teams battling it out in a game that could have gone either way and where the outcome turned on one brilliant player having a brilliant night. Imagine that....

Notre Dame Fighting Irish's Jewell Loyd unstoppable against Tennessee Lady Volunteers - ESPN

 

[OLW1948]

Basketball is definitely a game where one hot-shooting player can determine the outcome of a game. ND had several other ladies who also had decent shooting nights. It happens.

 

[ALLVOL24/7/365]

Madyvol,
You really are mad aren't you. First off a reporter for a national news agency is not going to bad mouth a coach. They will not even talk about a coach being in trouble till their seat starts to get pretty warm. So I would not expect this reporter to be ragging on CHW.

Secondly, did you read the article? If so then either you had on your orange colored reading glasses or you are ignoring both the obvious and not so obvious things the reporter brings up. In the article he states that the game was over when the score was 64-52 and you could just tell the Vols were done for at that point. There is a ton of print about how we could not stop one player. Why did the coach not make some adjustment, as others have pointed out such as a box and 1. Try something different because what we were doing was not working to stop the girl. Also, we lost the rebounding battle and one thing CPS always preached was you had to win the boards if you want to win the game. They led really the whole game, we stayed close for awhile but eventually they pulled away. They had several girls that scored. We let one girl who a week ago might have quit the team have a banner night against us. Holly as always, when interviewed, sounds like a member of MENSA. In reality she is the worst interview since Charles Manson.

I am going to agree with another poster from the other night and say that if you leave the teams intact and just swap the coaches then Tennessee wins. That means that it is all about coaching. I am still not sold on CDT for the men because of the black cloud he brought with him, and if he brings trouble on the University then he needs to go. MBut I will say this, he is a heck of an in game coach and he gets every last drop of play and effort out of the rag tag bunch of players he has assembled this year. He wins games on his coaching and the players responding. I do not see CHW's team play that way, I hope they will learn too, but right now nope it is not there. Time will tell when we start playing games that really matter. SEC Tournament and the NCAA tourney is when we will see what CHW can do. I am afraid CDS at USCe is going to stand a better chance of hoisting the trophy than us though. She is an elite coach. We need to hire CDS or some other young elite coach to get us back to the top and stop letting CGA win Natties up at UConn, if CHW can not show this year she can get it done. JMO TIFWIW

Don't be so mad, chill out, it's all good.

 

[gule]

I'll allow it.... lol!

 

[madtownvol]

Actually, my reading comprehension is not too bad. Yes, in article addressing Notre Dame's win and Lloyd's difference making night (to the victor belong the spoils), there was indeed much discussion about Notre Dame's win and Lloyd's difference making night.

But perhaps you missed these paragraphs in relation to the 64-52 moment:

And yet for all of that, it was hard to walk into the South Bend night (an admittedly mild one by local standards, almost March-like) and feel that Tennessee somehow exited exposed or a fraud.

Or this:

"But a lot of teams don't look great on defense against Notre Dame, especially in South Bend. Tennessee stayed in the game for almost its entirety because it scored points. Even on a night when Isabelle Harrison couldn't get much to fall around the basket, Graves looked like the force she was as a freshman, Carter knocked down jumpers and Burdick hit big shots....Force Tennessee to play offense to compete and it was doomed, conventional wisdom went. Well, it lost Monday, but it wasn't doomed. Hence a different mood than after the Texas loss."

 

[volroadwarrior]

Actually, my reading comprehension is not too bad. Yes, in article addressing Notre Dame's win and Lloyd's difference making night (to the victor belong the spoils), there was indeed much discussion about Notre Dame's win and Lloyd's difference making night.

But perhaps you missed these paragraphs in relation to the 64-52 moment:

And yet for all of that, it was hard to walk into the South Bend night (an admittedly mild one by local standards, almost March-like) and feel that Tennessee somehow exited exposed or a fraud.

Or this:

"But a lot of teams don't look great on defense against Notre Dame, especially in South Bend. Tennessee stayed in the game for almost its entirety because it scored points. Even on a night when Isabelle Harrison couldn't get much to fall around the basket, Graves looked like the force she was as a freshman, Carter knocked down jumpers and Burdick hit big shots....Force Tennessee to play offense to compete and it was doomed, conventional wisdom went. Well, it lost Monday, but it wasn't doomed. Hence a different mood than after the Texas loss."

Don't you know madtown it is always the coach's fault with fans who don't have the brains to see there are other reasons a team loses? Sometimes it is the coach, but the knee jerk reaction from the low information crowd is the easy target. That's the way it is and will always be.

 

[And1]

Don't you know madtown it is always the coach's fault with fans who don't have the brains to see there are other reasons a team loses? Sometimes it is the coach, but the knee jerk reaction from the low information crowd is the easy target. That's the way it is and will always be.

Couldn't have said it better. The simple-minded excuse for a loss is that it is the coach's fault, when in reality it is just not that simple. The truth is, if just 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, the outcome would have been different. Let's face it, if Jewell Loyd would have had an average night, Tenn wins. Just because you change defenses on the star player, doesn't mean you are going to shut her down. Sometimes a player is just going to go off no matter what defense is put on them, that's just the quality of a good player like Loyd. It isn't bad coaching. In the rare instances when Tennessee loses, it is usually because the opponent's best player brings her A-game, and sometimes there's just nothing you can do about that.

 

[madtownvol]

VRW and and1,

I obviously enough agree with you both wholeheartedly. Under CHW, you see a team that has come together as a team, plays selflessly, and where everyone is vested in defense and crashing the boards and doing dirty work. And the team is on an improvement curve. The loss to ND was disappointing but not demoralizing (that is the big difference from years past). Lloyd had a magical night (why could she not have been bricking it like she did against NC). She was hitting tough shots (fall-away turn arounds with a defender in her face; off balance runners in the lane etc.). Good defense, better offense. All in all, ND hit a lot of great shots in the first 30 minutes of the game; On the other hand, the LVs, owing to poor shooting, had to work very hard for their points and missed opportunities to put pressure on ND when they did get stops.

As I have said before, if Izzy has a better game (even if just on the defensive side), the outcome would also have looked different.

I expect a return to winning tonight and hopefully, the the positive trajectory will keep going forward.

 

[madtownvol]

Madyvol,
We let one girl who a week ago might have quit the team have a banner night against us.

Uh its madtown.

And that "one girl" who might have quit who and who Holly's inferior coaching let have a banner night. Actually, that is Jewell Llloyd. She is not a bad player. I think she might even have some credentials:

2014: AP All-America Second Team ... USBWA All-America Team ... WBCA Coaches' All-America Team ... espnW All-America Second Team ... Full Court Press All-America Second Team ... WBCA Wade Trophy Finalist ... Wooden Award Finalist ... Naismith Trophy Semifinalist ... WBCA Coaches' All-Region II Team ... NCAA Notre Dame Regional Most Valuable Player ... ACC Tournament Most Valuable Player ... All-ACC First Team (Blue Ribbon Panel/Coaches) ...All-ACC Defensive Team (Coaches) ...NCAA Women's Final Four All-Tournament Team ... NCAA Notre Dame Regional All-Tournament Team ... All-ACC Tournament First Team ... espnW National Player of the Week (Feb. 24) ... ACC Player of the Week (Feb. 24)
2013: USBWA National Freshman of the Year ... BIG EAST Freshman of the Year ... Honorable Mention All-BIG EAST ... BIG EAST All-Freshman Team (unanimous) ... BIG EAST Championship All-Tournament Team ... BIG EAST Freshman of the Week (Nov. 26, Dec. 10, Jan. 14, Feb. 25).

 

[meekfan]

There are no good losses, only losses

 

[Bellevue vol]

Uh its madtown.

And that "one girl" who might have quit who and who Holly's inferior coaching let have a banner night. Actually, that is Jewell Llloyd. She is not a bad player. I think she might even have some credentials:

2014: AP All-America Second Team ... USBWA All-America Team ... WBCA Coaches' All-America Team ... espnW All-America Second Team ... Full Court Press All-America Second Team ... WBCA Wade Trophy Finalist ... Wooden Award Finalist ... Naismith Trophy Semifinalist ... WBCA Coaches' All-Region II Team ... NCAA Notre Dame Regional Most Valuable Player ... ACC Tournament Most Valuable Player ... All-ACC First Team (Blue Ribbon Panel/Coaches) ...All-ACC Defensive Team (Coaches) ...NCAA Women's Final Four All-Tournament Team ... NCAA Notre Dame Regional All-Tournament Team ... All-ACC Tournament First Team ... espnW National Player of the Week (Feb. 24) ... ACC Player of the Week (Feb. 24)
2013: USBWA National Freshman of the Year ... BIG EAST Freshman of the Year ... Honorable Mention All-BIG EAST ... BIG EAST All-Freshman Team (unanimous) ... BIG EAST Championship All-Tournament Team ... BIG EAST Freshman of the Week (Nov. 26, Dec. 10, Jan. 14, Feb. 25).

FYI, I believe the "one girl" that he was referring to was Taya Reimer, not Jewell Loyd. It was reported that the week before the game against Tennessee, Reimer sat out two games as she was contemplating transferring. against Tennessee, she had 9 points and 10 rebounds. I'm not sure I would call that a banner game but I think it was her best game of the season.

 

[madtownvol]

Bellevue,

Yeah, you're right. The banner night threw me. Reimer had a good second half but I am not sure that she was the game changer.

 

[Concept]

The offense got a lot of points in the paint, but they need to draw fouls.

 

[teacherdean]

Don't you know madtown it is always the coach's fault with fans who don't have the brains to see there are other reasons a team loses? Sometimes it is the coach, but the knee jerk reaction from the low information crowd is the easy target. That's the way it is and will always be.[/QUOTe)

I agree with you, though Holly is not elite coach of the year, and I am not totally sold on her, but she was not the one on the floor rebounding, committing unforced turnovers or missing lay ups after lay ups or watching Jewell flying to the basket like the Flying Nun. Please foul her or something and make the trip painful. The defensive scheme is on the coach's shoulders but I can't blame the loss totally on coaching.

 

[armchair]

The optimist might say that it was encouraging to see us hang with an outstanding offensive team for two thirds of the game. The pessimist might say that Holly needs to learn to recognize what is happening on the court--in this case, that her man defense was getting blown up by Notre Dame for the third straight time (and our fifth straight loss to ND). Ya MIGHT want to try something different next time--like a matchup zone in which somebody is always with their star guard. That fact is, Warlick will not beat McGraw unless she has demonstrably superior talent, and now we don't.