I liked the old SEC football league...

[volfan2024]

Too many teams wanting in, getting in, wrecking rivalries, I liked it when you basically played every team, eventually. Now, everyone wants a piece of the SEC pie. All about the money now.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Too many teams wanting in, getting in, wrecking rivalries, I liked it when you basically played every team, eventually. Now, everyone wants a piece of the SEC pie. All about the money now.

It was always all about the money, but it used to be lot more even across the major conferences money-wise. When the SEC became the undeniable dominant conference in CFB, then stayed that way, that's where the money went.

 

[GAVol]

We only played 6 conference games.
Only played Georgia, Florida, LSU, Mississippi State every 7 years.
Florida and Georgia rivalries weren't even on the radar.
Finished every year with Ole Miss, UK and Vandy teams that were mostly terrible.

I don't see how what we have today isn't a net positive.

 

[maryvillenative]

Too many teams wanting in, getting in, wrecking rivalries, I liked it when you basically played every team, eventually. Now, everyone wants a piece of the SEC pie. All about the money now.

I was thinking something similar this morning. Even though this weekend's game is big and should be really good, somehow I'm just not as excited as I would be with an old school SEC team coming to town.

 

[vavolfan6]

The college football landscape was much better when conferences were actually regional. Be thankful that with the SEC, at least that is still mostly the case.

Maybe we won't play every team once, but I think it is still likely there are still a few pemanent fixtures that will happen every year.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Too many teams wanting in, getting in, wrecking rivalries, I liked it when you basically played every team, eventually. Now, everyone wants a piece of the SEC pie. All about the money now.

Ah yes, recall listening on the radio because you either attended the game or listened, no TV.

The fan base grew, widespread TV games started, TV produced enormous revenue for the SEC, and here we are.

If we'd all go back to either going to Neyland or traveling to games or listening on the radio, we could have college football back. Doesn't that sound wonderful?

Not for me, but you're welcome to disagree.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The SEC remains a fully regional conference. Not sure why some folks think it isn't.

Whether you define "southeast" geometrically (every SEC school, present and future, is southeast of Lebanon, Kansas, the geographic center of the lower 48) ... or culturally (every SEC state either seceded from the Union in 1861 or was a "border state" like Kentucky and Missouri--Oklahoma being an exception because they weren't a state yet), every member of the conference belongs.





Contrast that with the B10, whose footprint is the Mid-west but now includes schools from both coasts (Maryland, New Jersey, California, Oregon, and Washington).

Or the Atlantic Coast Conference, with California and Texas teams.

Or the B12, a Great Plains conference, with West Virginia, Florida, and Ohio schools.

So only the SEC and Pac-12 remain regional. And the Pac-12 only has 2 members starting next year. Heh.

So yep, this may not be the "Old SEC league" of our grandfathers' day, but it alone has maintained regional integrity.

Go Vols!

 

[AlsaceFreak]

I was thinking something similar this morning. Even though this weekend's game is big and should be really good, somehow I'm just not as excited as I would be with an old school SEC team coming to town.

I agree and have always felt the SEC was best when you can get in your car as a student and drive to away games. That went away with expansion.
In my perfect world, I would like to see the SEC with its former football members Georgia Tech and Tulane. Georgia Tech has one of the best old, historic stadiums in the South and it's an easy drive to a large, dynamic city (Atlanta) for most SEC schools. Tulane would allow trips to New Orleans, which in my opinion is one of the best cities to visit in the US.
I also would have preferred Clemson and Florida St due to their locations and fan bases that fit the SEC.

I know all about the argument of TV revenue and reaching new TV markets, but I like the idea of regional road trips that don't require getting on a plane.

 

[SpookyAction]

The SEC remains a fully regional conference. Not sure why some folks think it isn't.

Whether you define "southeast" geometrically (every SEC school, present and future, is southeast of Lebanon, Kansas, the geographic center of the lower 48) ... or culturally (every SEC state either seceded from the Union in 1861 or was a "border state" like Kentucky and Missouri--Oklahoma being an exception because they weren't a state yet), every member of the conference belongs.

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Contrast that with the B10, whose footprint is the "Mid-west" but now includes schools from both coasts (Maryland, Rutgers in New Jersey, California, Oregon, and Washington).

Or the Atlantic Coast Conference, with California and Texas teams.

Or the B12, a Great Plains conference, with West Virginia, Florida, and Ohio schools.

So only the SEC and Pac-12 remain regional. And the Pac-12 only has 2 members starting next year. Heh.

So yep, this may not be the "Old SEC league" of our grandfathers' day, but it alone has maintained regional integrity.

Go Vols!

You make a good point for categories.
But a factor little discussed is while we maintain regional integrity, it is the poorest region in the USA. 7 of the 10 poorest states in the USA are in "the region", with nine current member schools representing those states, and add another if Clemson is added.

I make this point because it could push the B1G more ahead of us on futureTV deals because of desirability of demographics for advertisers. B1G simply represents a richer base for advertisers. For example, USA median household income is $74,580 (2022), while TN's median household income is $64,380. Mississippi is the bottom at $48,716, Louisiana is little better with $52,087 (both 2021).

Two potential mediating factors might be TV Ratings and population growth, which would favor states South of the Mason Dixon. With B1G going to more of a network TV model, it will be interesting to see how that affects TV ratings going forward.

Some will argue fanbase passion will make us more desirable. That fact may keep SEC programs in the Top 20 money makers, but is not a measurable advertisers and programmers can be counted on to consider as a factor in our favor on TV deals. The financial pecking order could be in flux the next 10 years.

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The Northeast and West have higher median household incomes than the Midwest and South

Region	2020 Median Household Income (2021 dollars)	2021 Median Household Income
United States	$71,186	$70,784
Northeast	$79,032	$77,472
West	$78,755	$79,430
Midwest	$70,528	$71,129
South	$64,355	$63,368

from Peter G Peterson Foundation

 

[LibertyVol]

You make a good point for categories.
But a factor little discussed is while we maintain regional integrity, it is the poorest region in the USA. 7 of the 10 poorest states in the USA are in "the region", with nine current member schools representing those states, and add another if Clemson is added.

I make this point because it could push the B1G more ahead of us on futureTV deals because of desirability of demographics for advertisers. B1G simply represents a richer base for advertisers. For example, USA median household income is $74,580 (2022), while TN's median household income is $64,380. Mississippi is the bottom at $48,716, Louisiana is little better with $52,087 (both 2021).

Two potential mediating factors might be TV Ratings and population growth, which would favor states South of the Mason Dixon. With B1G going to more of a network TV model, it will be interesting to see how that affects TV ratings going forward.

Some will argue fanbase passion will make us more desirable. That fact may keep SEC programs in the Top 20 money makers, but is not a measurable advertisers and programmers can be counted on to consider as a factor in our favor on TV deals. The financial pecking order could be in flux the next 10 years.

​

The Northeast and West have higher median household incomes than the Midwest and South​

Region	2020 Median Household Income (2021 dollars)	2021 Median Household Income
United States	$71,186	$70,784
Northeast	$79,032	$77,472
West	$78,755	$79,430
Midwest	$70,528	$71,129
South	$64,355	$63,368

from Peter G Peterson Foundation

This is true, but the cost of living is much higher in other regions of the country. So in terms of purchasing power there probably is not much difference.

 

[StarRaider]

The SEC remains a fully regional conference. Not sure why some folks think it isn't.

Whether you define "southeast" geometrically (every SEC school, present and future, is southeast of Lebanon, Kansas, the geographic center of the lower 48) ... or culturally (every SEC state either seceded from the Union in 1861 or was a "border state" like Kentucky and Missouri--Oklahoma being an exception because they weren't a state yet), every member of the conference belongs.

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Contrast that with the B10, whose footprint is the "Mid-west" but now includes schools from both coasts (Maryland, Rutgers in New Jersey, California, Oregon, and Washington).

Or the Atlantic Coast Conference, with California and Texas teams.

Or the B12, a Great Plains conference, with West Virginia, Florida, and Ohio schools.

So only the SEC and Pac-12 remain regional. And the Pac-12 only has 2 members starting next year. Heh.

So yep, this may not be the "Old SEC league" of our grandfathers' day, but it alone has maintained regional integrity.

Go Vols!

 

[VFL-82-JP]

But a factor little discussed is while we maintain regional integrity, it is the poorest region in the USA. 7 of the 10 poorest states in the USA are in "the region", with nine current member schools representing those states, and add another if Clemson is added.

Not necessarily. As Liberty points out:

This is true, but the cost of living is much higher in other regions of the country. So in terms of purchasing power there probably is not much difference.

Purchasing power parity (PPP) is a metric economists use to help figure out what regions are REALLY richest or poorest. Simply put, if you can buy a "standard bag of goods" (let's say it is groceries, electric bill, a tank of gas, a new shirt and slacks, and home rent/mortgage) if you can buy that standardized bag of goods for $900 a month, and the fella in California has to spend $1,100 a month for the same items, then it's okay if you only make 82% as much as him. Your purchasing power is the same as his.

The price parities in the US are calculated regularly. Here's the most recent I've seen:


Using your wage/salary figures for the South ($64,355) and the West ($78,755), the ratio of earnings is about 82%. And as you can see in the figure above, Tennessee's cost of living is in a 90.9 to 111.8 ratio with California, which is also about 82%.

We make about 82% as much. And we only have to pay about 82% as much for the same stuff.

In other words the South isn't actually poorer than the West. We're equally well off, materially. Just a cheaper cost of living.

What does all that mean for TV contracts? Not a lot. When it comes to TV, it's purely a question of supply and demand. The SEC has a monopoly on the best football in college. A lot of folks want to watch those games. So ESPN will find a way to buy those rights from the SEC. And that can result in prices that are just as high as those in the B10 or PAC regions, even if our region is less expensive to live in.

So the Southeast being cheaper (not poorer, cheaper) isn't much of an impact after all.

Go Vols!

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I was thinking something similar this morning. Even though this weekend's game is big and should be really good, somehow I'm just not as excited as I would be with an old school SEC team coming to town.

I think that has more to do with the current outlook of our season. We have to win out and beat Georgia, or Georgia has to lose one more besides us.

So basically, beating Texas AM doesn't help us, it just doesn't hurt us. All roads lead through Georgia.

 

[LouderVol]

I agree and have always felt the SEC was best when you can get in your car as a student and drive to away games. That went away with expansion.
In my perfect world, I would like to see the SEC with its former football members Georgia Tech and Tulane. Georgia Tech has one of the best old, historic stadiums in the South and it's an easy drive to a large, dynamic city (Atlanta) for most SEC schools. Tulane would allow trips to New Orleans, which in my opinion is one of the best cities to visit in the US.
I also would have preferred Clemson and Florida St due to their locations and fan bases that fit the SEC.

I know all about the argument of TV revenue and reaching new TV markets, but I like the idea of regional road trips that don't require getting on a plane.

how far are you willing to drive? for most people its about 3-4 hours before you start thinking about flying which would put it outside of most student's reach. only 3 schools fall within a 4 hour drive. even if you stretch it to a 5 hour drive you are only reaching 5/9 original SEC teams.

and you went as a student because there was no other way to watch the game.

Knoxville to Oxford 6.5 hours
Knoxville to Jackson 7.25 hours
Knoxville to Tuscaloosa 4.75 hours
Knoxville to Auburn 5 hours
Knoxville Baton Rouge 9.5 hours
Knoxville to Athens 4 hours
Knoxville to Nashville 3 hours
Knoxville to Lexington 2.75 hours
Knoxville to Gainesville 8.5 hours

that's an AVERAGE of 5.5 hours. that's almost double what most people would be willing to drive every weekend. sure if its your once a season trip you may go 6 hours, but for most people when every game is televised you aren't making that drive 5-6 times a season.

 

[dovervolz]

You make a good point for categories.
But a factor little discussed is while we maintain regional integrity, it is the poorest region in the USA. 7 of the 10 poorest states in the USA are in "the region", with nine current member schools representing those states, and add another if Clemson is added.

I make this point because it could push the B1G more ahead of us on futureTV deals because of desirability of demographics for advertisers. B1G simply represents a richer base for advertisers. For example, USA median household income is $74,580 (2022), while TN's median household income is $64,380. Mississippi is the bottom at $48,716, Louisiana is little better with $52,087 (both 2021).

Two potential mediating factors might be TV Ratings and population growth, which would favor states South of the Mason Dixon. With B1G going to more of a network TV model, it will be interesting to see how that affects TV ratings going forward.

Some will argue fanbase passion will make us more desirable. That fact may keep SEC programs in the Top 20 money makers, but is not a measurable advertisers and programmers can be counted on to consider as a factor in our favor on TV deals. The financial pecking order could be in flux the next 10 years.

​

The Northeast and West have higher median household incomes than the Midwest and South​

Region	2020 Median Household Income (2021 dollars)	2021 Median Household Income
United States	$71,186	$70,784
Northeast	$79,032	$77,472
West	$78,755	$79,430
Midwest	$70,528	$71,129
South	$64,355	$63,368

from Peter G Peterson Foundation

While all this is true, it's not gonna stop Bubba in his 50 year old single wide trailer, selling his food stamps to pay his cable bill so that him and his sister can watch their beloved tide on Saturdays.

 

[wmcovol]

Truth is the old SEC never “played everybody”. For yrs SEC teams played 6 games outta 10 ot 11. The 1985 Vols for example played 6 of 11. The non con schedule included UCLA, Wake Forest, Rutgers Ga Tech which would be considered very tough today for non con schedules.

 

[BowlBrother85]

When I think of the historical rivalries in the SEC (not the ones which emerged just since the 1992 expansion) .... There are 7 that come to mind :

1) Georgia vs Auburn
2) Georgia vs Florida
3) Alabama vs Auburn
4) Alabama vs Tennessee
5) Ole Miss vs LSU
6) Ole Miss vs Mississippi State
7) Vanderbilt vs Tennessee

I expect that these 7 games will still be played on an annual basis.

I definitely don't miss the days when bowl tie-ins kept the best teams from playing each other at the end of the season (like 1991 and 1997) and getting to watch Tennessee on live television was a big deal .... like 1982, when Tennessee's upset of Alabama wasn't televised anywhere live (you could watch the replay with John Ward's call at 11:30 pm locally), even though Alabama was ranked 2nd in the nation at the time.

Sorry, but things weren't always better in the good ol' days.

 

[EasternVol]

You make a good point for categories.
But a factor little discussed is while we maintain regional integrity, it is the poorest region in the USA. 7 of the 10 poorest states in the USA are in "the region", with nine current member schools representing those states, and add another if Clemson is added.

I make this point because it could push the B1G more ahead of us on futureTV deals because of desirability of demographics for advertisers. B1G simply represents a richer base for advertisers. For example, USA median household income is $74,580 (2022), while TN's median household income is $64,380. Mississippi is the bottom at $48,716, Louisiana is little better with $52,087 (both 2021).

Two potential mediating factors might be TV Ratings and population growth, which would favor states South of the Mason Dixon. With B1G going to more of a network TV model, it will be interesting to see how that affects TV ratings going forward.

Some will argue fanbase passion will make us more desirable. That fact may keep SEC programs in the Top 20 money makers, but is not a measurable advertisers and programmers can be counted on to consider as a factor in our favor on TV deals. The financial pecking order could be in flux the next 10 years.

​

The Northeast and West have higher median household incomes than the Midwest and South​

Region	2020 Median Household Income (2021 dollars)	2021 Median Household Income
United States	$71,186	$70,784
Northeast	$79,032	$77,472
West	$78,755	$79,430
Midwest	$70,528	$71,129
South	$64,355	$63,368

from Peter G Peterson Foundation

Is there anything there about disposable income per region?

 

[EasternVol]

When I think of the historical rivalries in the SEC (not the ones which emerged just since the 1992 expansion) .... There are 7 that come to mind :

1) Georgia vs Auburn
2) Georgia vs Florida
3) Alabama vs Auburn
4) Alabama vs Tennessee
5) Ole Miss vs LSU
6) Ole Miss vs Mississippi State
7) Vanderbilt vs Tennessee

I expect that these 7 games will still be played on an annual basis.

I definitely don't miss the days when bowl tie-ins kept the best teams from playing each other at the end of the season (like 1991 and 1997) and getting to watch Tennessee on live television was a big deal .... like 1982, when Tennessee's upset of Alabama wasn't televised anywhere live (you could watch the replay with John Ward's call at 11:30 pm locally), even though Alabama was ranked 2nd in the nation at the time.

Sorry, but things weren't always better in the good ol' days.

I'd add Tennessee-Kentucky and Alabama-LSU to that list.

 

[volbound1700]

If done right, this is what I foresee happening. As we add more teams, they will start to morph into divisions of play with Tennessee focusing 5-6 games on historical opponents and then the other 3-4 games on other teams. So Tennessee probably won't see Oklahoma, Texas, and others every year and maybe even not every other year.

Oklahoma and Texas will be lumped with Missouri, Aggie, Arkansas, and perhaps other teams in their area so that you will have, basically, a mini-Big12/Southwest in the SEC.

Same will eventually happen with the B1G.

Frankly, I am excited about it. 14-team model did not work. I did like 12 game model a lot. I am also hoping we either drop Florida or stop playing them as the first game because we **** the bed every year against them. Tennessee, as a program, struggled more after the division split thanks to Florida, primarily. Perhaps a change in the conference/schedule may help our program.

 

[volbound1700]

We only played 6 conference games.
Only played Georgia, Florida, LSU, Mississippi State every 7 years.
Florida and Georgia rivalries weren't even on the radar.
Finished every year with Ole Miss, UK and Vandy teams that were mostly terrible.

I don't see how what we have today isn't a net positive.

Well we didn't play Florida often who we lose to 99% of the time now days so that was a Net Positive.

 

[volbound1700]

You make a good point for categories.
But a factor little discussed is while we maintain regional integrity, it is the poorest region in the USA. 7 of the 10 poorest states in the USA are in "the region", with nine current member schools representing those states, and add another if Clemson is added.

I make this point because it could push the B1G more ahead of us on futureTV deals because of desirability of demographics for advertisers. B1G simply represents a richer base for advertisers. For example, USA median household income is $74,580 (2022), while TN's median household income is $64,380. Mississippi is the bottom at $48,716, Louisiana is little better with $52,087 (both 2021).

Two potential mediating factors might be TV Ratings and population growth, which would favor states South of the Mason Dixon. With B1G going to more of a network TV model, it will be interesting to see how that affects TV ratings going forward.

Some will argue fanbase passion will make us more desirable. That fact may keep SEC programs in the Top 20 money makers, but is not a measurable advertisers and programmers can be counted on to consider as a factor in our favor on TV deals. The financial pecking order could be in flux the next 10 years.

​

The Northeast and West have higher median household incomes than the Midwest and South​

Region	2020 Median Household Income (2021 dollars)	2021 Median Household Income
United States	$71,186	$70,784
Northeast	$79,032	$77,472
West	$78,755	$79,430
Midwest	$70,528	$71,129
South	$64,355	$63,368

from Peter G Peterson Foundation

The B1G had a knee-jerk reaction to match the SEC. I think it was clear that the UCLA and USC add was a response to the SEC adding OU and Texas. However, this knee-jerk reaction paid off. UCLA also got a lifeline as they were struggling financially. USC wasn't hurting but the money will help them as well.

Problem with the other leagues is that they don't have teams in their region that could match an addition like the SEC can add. SEC can add big names (still can with FSU and Clemson) and stay regional.

B1G only had Notre Dame in its region and B1G keeps trying to add them but ND shoots them down. Pac12 had nobody to add worth any value. ACC is in the same boat (although ACC could have added West Virginia in the past and I do think they move the needle some).

Big12 is basically a league of left overs that stay together because B1G and SEC won't add any of them. I think Big12 is probably the #3 most valuable league now (it is between them and the ACC).

IMO, B1G wasn't aggressive enough though. I feel like they should have added Colorado and Stanford as well and claimed Northern California and a state in the middle. Colorado fits well with Nebraska. B1G was smart to add Oregon and Washington. It made no sense to leave UCLA and USC on an island as both programs would eventually have been diminished in that scenario and lose value because of the heavy travel. The reason Colorado and Stanford make some sense is also to reduce the travel and create kind of a Western Wing, in full, for the B1G. (Utah could have probably been subbed for Colorado but went with Colorado due to Denver and the fact it has historical connection to Nebraska).


I think the SEC will add Clemson, FSU, and maybe UNC soon to match the B1G adding Oregon and Washington. The B1G and SEC are counter punching each other to get the best contracts right now. Eventually, I think the B1G and SEC may come together into an AFC-NFC kind of arrangement and cut out the NCAA.

 

[SpookyAction]

Not necessarily. As Liberty points out:



Purchasing power parity (PPP) is a metric economists use to help figure out what regions are REALLY richest or poorest. Simply put, if you can buy a "standard bag of goods" (let's say it is groceries, electric bill, a tank of gas, a new shirt and slacks, and home rent/mortgage) if you can buy that standardized bag of goods for $900 a month, and the fella in California has to spend $1,100 a month for the same items, then it's okay if you only make 82% as much as him. Your purchasing power is the same as his.

The price parities in the US are calculated regularly. Here's the most recent I've seen:
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Using your wage/salary figures for the South ($64,355) and the West ($78,755), the ratio of earnings is about 82%. And as you can see in the figure above, Tennessee's cost of living is in a 90.9 to 111.8 ratio with California, which is also about 82%.

We make about 82% as much. And we only have to pay about 82% as much for the same stuff.

In other words the South isn't actually poorer than the West. We're equally well off, materially. Just a cheaper cost of living.

What does all that mean for TV contracts? Not a lot. When it comes to TV, it's purely a question of supply and demand. The SEC has a monopoly on the best football in college. A lot of folks want to watch those games. So ESPN will find a way to buy those rights from the SEC. And that can result in prices that are just as high as those in the B10 or PAC regions, even if our region is less expensive to live in.

So the Southeast being cheaper (not poorer, cheaper) isn't much of an impact after all.

Go Vols!

Excellent point, but I will say, the real story of the structure of a TV deal will be disposable income by TV ratings for each program.
Ranking the most-watched college football programs in 2022

This list is a year old, but probably still very accurate.
Good News; UT is 4th in avg ratings per televised game at 4.13mil. That is more than UGA and ND. We are probably not near that number yet this season because we haven't played our biggest games yet.

The SEC has 5 teams in the Top 10 (if you include TEX) and 6 if Clemson happened to be added later. Compare that with 3 in the Top 10 for the B1G. ND and Clemson rounds out the Top 10.

I have stated in the past FSU (#15) and Clemson (#10)bring little to the SEC, but these program TV audience lists make me change my mind.
VATech and UVA are #'s 76 and 79. NCSt and UNC are #'s 43 and 46. Woof. Those are not great. Only slightly better than Mizzou, the SEC's lowest TV audience listed (#50 with 793k).
I don't think Vandy is even on the list. I can't find them or any info about their average TV audience.

I wrote down the audience for each team of the B1G and SEC and I just don't have time to tally them. It looks like the SEC will have more (rounding).
MIzzou, USCe, and Vandy are the only SEC schools not to crack a million.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

As a college student in the early 80s, we drove to many of the away games and it didn't take the equivalent of $250+ (in today's money) to get into a game. imho, for the students that want to attend, this mega conference sucks. They will never know the fun we had at away games. I find it more sad than anything.

When this thing gets to a full head of steam, there will hardly be any VFLs because they will either be a) so hurt they can't continue beyond their 2nd year, b) go for the NFL money or c) enter the portal and go somewhere else.

And going undefeated will be a thing of the past. We better get used to 3-4 losses a year, every year. jmho, ymmv.

Fire away

 

[TrueOrange]

how far are you willing to drive? for most people its about 3-4 hours before you start thinking about flying which would put it outside of most student's reach. only 3 schools fall within a 4 hour drive. even if you stretch it to a 5 hour drive you are only reaching 5/9 original SEC teams.

and you went as a student because there was no other way to watch the game.

Knoxville to Oxford 6.5 hours
Knoxville to Jackson 7.25 hours
Knoxville to Tuscaloosa 4.75 hours
Knoxville to Auburn 5 hours
Knoxville Baton Rouge 9.5 hours
Knoxville to Athens 4 hours
Knoxville to Nashville 3 hours
Knoxville to Lexington 2.75 hours
Knoxville to Gainesville 8.5 hours

that's an AVERAGE of 5.5 hours. that's almost double what most people would be willing to drive every weekend. sure if its your once a season trip you may go 6 hours, but for most people when every game is televised you aren't making that drive 5-6 times a season.

Huh. I didn’t realize that Knoxville to Columbia, MO (8.5 hours) is about as long as Knoxville to Gainesville and less than driving from Knoxville to Baton Rouge.

Learn something new each day. Thanks.