I need a lib to explain this to me.

[gsvol]

The agreement signed last week between Cuba and a Russian oil company to explore waters in the Gulf of Mexico raises a question that seems almost like a joke -

if Cuba can explore for oil and gas off the coast of Florida, how come the United States can't?

I know we have many posters on here who support most all of the liberal agenda, perhaps one will volunteer to explain this to me, I just don't get it. :fool:

The problem that I have is not with Cuba exploring, as they are within their legal rights, or even that there are no American companies involved due to U.S. law. The issue is that the exploration of the North Cuba Basin will come within 45 miles of the Florida coast, which is closer than American companies can drill in U.S waters.

Exploration and development in an area of the Gulf of Mexico under U.S. jurisdiction called the Destin Dome, was blocked in 2002 when the U.S. Government bought back most of the leases issued to several exploration and production companies.

These leases belonged to Chevron (NYSE:CVX), Murphy Oil (NYSE:MUR) and Conoco Phillips (NYSE:COP).

This area was effectively dead anyway before the buy back because Florida quashed any permits.

The Bottom Line:

Cuba, a country with which we have no diplomatic or commercial relations, can drill and explore for oil and gas closer to our coast than our own domestic industry can.

This underscores the disarray of U.S. Energy Policy, and will prolong our dependence on foreign sources of oil even longer.

The truth of the matter is that enviromentalists with mega-bucks behind them have done a very good job of raping the citizens of the USA economically, using fear mongering based for the most part on irrationality and falsehoods. It doesn't hurt their cause that they are deeply involved and influential in politics at the highest levels.

 

[SavageOrangeJug]

The agreement signed last week between Cuba and a Russian oil company to explore waters in the Gulf of Mexico raises a question that seems almost like a joke -

if Cuba can explore for oil and gas off the coast of Florida, how come the United States can't?

I know we have many posters on here who support most all of the liberal agenda, perhaps one will volunteer to explain this to me, I just don't get it. :fool:



The truth of the matter is that enviromentalists with mega-bucks behind them have done a very good job of raping the citizens of the USA economically, using fear mongering based for the most part on irrationality and falsehoods. It doesn't hurt their cause that they are deeply involved and influential in politics at the highest levels.

It's easily explained. The Marxists have to stick together.

 

[CountVolcula]

It's easily explained. The Marxists have to stick together.

You took the words right outta my mouth

 

[lawgator1]

I can't read what you post, so I can offer no input. I saw the original thread title, which referred to "libtards" and I guess a mod fixed it up a little.

I see the part that SOJ cut and paste and have to say to gsvol that if you really are so simple minded as it seems, if you do not understand the complexities of these issues, then perhaps it is not wise for you to refer to anyone elses' politics as "retarded."

 

[droski]

it's absolutely true LG that cuba is now tapping into oil fields that we have just as much of a right to and the environmental inpact is almost zero. there hasn't been a single major spill by american run oil rig.

 

[rjd970]

The agreement signed last week between Cuba and a Russian oil company to explore waters in the Gulf of Mexico raises a question that seems almost like a joke -

if Cuba can explore for oil and gas off the coast of Florida, how come the United States can't?

I know we have many posters on here who support most all of the liberal agenda, perhaps one will volunteer to explain this to me, I just don't get it. :fool:



The truth of the matter is that enviromentalists with mega-bucks behind them have done a very good job of raping the citizens of the USA economically, using fear mongering based for the most part on irrationality and falsehoods. It doesn't hurt their cause that they are deeply involved and influential in politics at the highest levels.

As far as the first bolded part, I really don't think it is as many as you think.

As far as the second bolded part and the foundation of the post in general, I would believe many of the "libtards" are just as opposed to Cuba and Russia drilling as they are to the U.S..

 

[allvol123]

I can't read what you post, so I can offer no input. I saw the original thread title, which referred to "libtards" and I guess a mod fixed it up a little.

I see the part that SOJ cut and paste and have to say to gsvol that if you really are so simple minded as it seems, if you do not understand the complexities of these issues, then perhaps it is not wise for you to refer to anyone elses' politics as "retarded."

Actually you can, you "choose" not to read it. Choose your words more carefully. You are a lawyer, correct?

 

[rjd970]

Actually you can, you "choose" not to read it. Choose your words more carefully. You are a lawyer, correct?

I don't know about LG, but "can't" is a more apt descriptor for me. Anything over 3 or 4 paragraphs with links to fringe and conspiracy theory sites is next to impossible for me to read or understand. And anyway, I can get the gist of what he is trying to say by the ridiculous pictures he posts.

 

[allvol123]

I don't know about LG, but "can't" is a more apt descriptor for me. Anything over 3 or 4 paragraphs with links to fringe and conspiracy theory sites is next to impossible for me to read or understand. And anyway, I can get the gist of what he is trying to say by the ridiculous pictures he posts.

I choose not to read them, that is the proper term in my opinion. I don't come here to read essays or be beaten over the head with cut and paste endlessly. "Can't" is an incorrect description since he chooses to have him on ignore.

 

[orangeblooded2]

As a Lib.


I have never agreed with the policy of not drilling, Drill, drill, drill. I do beleive the revenue should be taxed enough to fully fund the American Citizens investment in Alternative Energy Sources and accompanying Technology.

Here is an article from 2.5 years ago with information dating back to as early as 2001.


U.S. Enemies Align With Cuba to Claim Gulf Oil | theTrumpet.com

 

[lawgator1]

I don't know about LG, but "can't" is a more apt descriptor for me. Anything over 3 or 4 paragraphs with links to fringe and conspiracy theory sites is next to impossible for me to read or understand. And anyway, I can get the gist of what he is trying to say by the ridiculous pictures he posts.

I have him on ignore, ergo I can't read it.

I find that since placing him on that list, I eat and sleep better, have more energy, and doc says my cholesterol is down 40 points.

 

[T-TownVol]

Actually you can, you "choose" not to read it. Choose your words more carefully. You are a lawyer, correct?

sounds like BHO talking Health Care

 

[Cartervol]

Taking it right out from under our noses. I can't see how we'd allow that to happen. Oh i forgot barry's in office.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I have him on ignore, ergo I can't read it.

I find that since placing him on that list, I eat and sleep better, have more energy, and doc says my cholesterol is down 40 points.

Unfortunately, you're still just as mindless as before.
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[gsvol]

I can't read what you post, so I can offer no input. I saw the original thread title, which referred to "libtards" and I guess a mod fixed it up a little.

I see the part that SOJ cut and paste and have to say to gsvol that if you really are so simple minded as it seems, if you do not understand the complexities of these issues, then perhaps it is not wise for you to refer to anyone elses' politics as "retarded."

The complexities of your issues are the only retarded interger in the equation.

I don't know about LG, but "can't" is a more apt descriptor for me. Anything over 3 or 4 paragraphs with links to fringe and conspiracy theory sites is next to impossible for me to read or understand. And anyway, I can get the gist of what he is trying to say by the ridiculous pictures he posts.

Typically, reading you posts are an exercise in futility.

Way to address the topic.

I have him on ignore, ergo I can't read it.

I find that since placing him on that list, I eat and sleep better, have more energy, and doc says my cholesterol is down 40 points.

Basicly because you can't debate any topic intelligently.

Unfortunately, you're still just as mindless as before.
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Well said.

droski

It's absolutely true LG that cuba is now tapping into oil fields that we have just as much of a right to and the environmental inpact is almost zero. there hasn't been a single major spill by american run oil rig.

Thanks to Jimmy Carter and all his liberal marxist friends, Red China now controls the Panama Canal and is also exploring for oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

Not only have modern methods kept there from being any oil spills or ecological disasters, the oil rigs have been a boon to marine life in each and every situation in the Gulf.

In areas that were previously almost devoid of marine life, oil rigs have proven to attract coral reef formation an the wide feriety of marine life associated with them.

If you examine the facts in almost every environmentalist argument you find very few facts and mantras of idiocy that must be classified as either insane or retarded, at best pure ignorance with a passion for self indulgence. :crazy:

 

[615 Vol]

I choose not to read them, that is the proper term in my opinion. I don't come here to read essays or be beaten over the head with cut and paste endlessly. "Can't" is an incorrect description since he chooses to have him on ignore.

I agree, less is more when it comes to posting.

 

[gsvol]

I agree, less is more when it comes to posting.

Less for us, more for them!

That is the way it must be if socialism is to succeed.

Very thanks comrade.

Ochen spasiba tavarich.

I will use my rukis less to save your glassies more.

The only useful hands are those on the orange clock.

I should have guessed it myself, only makes sense if all communications are expressed in politically correct double plus good duck speak banalities reduced to two word marxist slogans.

Svaboda i bratsva!

Khleb i zemlya!

As was said of Tamerlane the great Asian muslim conquerer, 'he kept the cities of India like fat cows tethered in the sunshine,' so it is with today's modern dumbed down America.

The beauty of social engineering is that the average comrade doesn't have to either read more than a two word slogan or actually think, all thinking is done by designated commissars who read and think less but are good at creating two word slogans.

Responsible government. (if not responsive.)

Carbon neutral. (brain dead ist gud.)

Cap and trade. (capture and [indirectly] tax)

Universal healthcare. (power over life and death must be centralized.)

Tax the rich. (elevate the wealthy, eliminate the bourgeoisie.)

Feed the poor. (while reducing them to serfdom.)

Stimulate the economy. (rob the people for their own good.)

Rescue the auto industry. (fascism isn't really fascism when great leader does it.)

Restore the financial sector. (throw trillions down a bottomless pit, it's only fiat money anyway.)

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Sorry, no dilbert toon for rj, the irony would be lost on him anyway, even if he saw the picture, he wouldn't get the picture.

 

[rjd970]

Typically, reading you posts are an exercise in futility.

Way to address the topic.

Wait...gsvol asserting that reading my posts are an exercise in futility?

:lolabove:

That's rich, even for you.

 

[gsvol]

Wait...gsvol asserting that reading my posts are an exercise in futility?

:lolabove:

That's rich, even for you.

You must have made your last significant contribution before I started posting here a year ago.

Pray tell when was your last pithy post??

Perhaps you would care to address the original question posed as a thread topic??

(I doubt you would do so but do feel free to make one of your typically banal inane remarks that has nothing at all to do with the topic.)

 

[rjd970]

You must have made your last significant contribution before I started posting here a year ago.

Pray tell when was your last pithy post??

Perhaps you would care to address the original question posed as a thread topic??

(I doubt you would do so but do feel free to make one of your typically banal inane remarks that has nothing at all to do with the topic.)

Perhaps you would like to take timeout from looking up Dilbert cartoons and read post #6 of this thread. With how you copy and paste I'm not surprised at all that you don't actually read before you comment.

Continue on with copy and pasting articles, I'm not going to listen to any of it until you have something substantive to say in under 20,000 words. :crazy:

 

[615 Vol]

Less for us, more for them!

That is the way it must be if socialism is to succeed.

Very thanks comrade.

Ochen spasiba tavarich.

I will use my rukis less to save your glassies more.

The only useful hands are those on the orange clock.

I should have guessed it myself, only makes sense if all communications are expressed in politically correct double plus good duck speak banalities reduced to two word marxist slogans.

Svaboda i bratsva!

Khleb i zemlya!

As was said of Tamerlane the great Asian muslim conquerer, 'he kept the cities of India like fat cows tethered in the sunshine,' so it is with today's modern dumbed down America.

The beauty of social engineering is that the average comrade doesn't have to either read more than a two word slogan or actually think, all thinking is done by designated commissars who read and think less but are good at creating two word slogans.

Responsible government. (if not responsive.)

Carbon neutral. (brain dead ist gud.)

Cap and trade. (capture and [indirectly] tax)

Universal healthcare. (power over life and death must be centralized.)

Tax the rich. (elevate the wealthy, eliminate the bourgeoisie.)

Feed the poor. (while reducing them to serfdom.)

Stimulate the economy. (rob the people for their own good.)

Rescue the auto industry. (fascism isn't really fascism when great leader does it.)

Restore the financial sector. (throw trillions down a bottomless pit, it's only fiat money anyway.)

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Sorry, no dilbert toon for rj, the irony would be lost on him anyway, even if he saw the picture, he wouldn't get the picture.

I said that less is more when it comes to posting and this is your response. What does any of this have to do with posting on a message board???? :huh:

 

[gsvol]

Perhaps you would like to take timeout from looking up Dilbert cartoons and read post #6 of this thread. With how you copy and paste I'm not surprised at all that you don't actually read before you comment.

Continue on with copy and pasting articles, I'm not going to listen to any of it until you have something substantive to say in under 20,000 words. :crazy:

Perhaps not.

Your #6 post is only slightly less off topic than the retarded #4 post.

As far as the first bolded part, I really don't think it is as many as you think.

As far as the second bolded part and the foundation of the post in general, I would believe many of the "libtards" are just as opposed to Cuba and Russia drilling as they are to the U.S..

Where to start? First there is only one bolded sentence.

I'm not so interested in the mentality or numbers of 'libtards', what I am interested in is why does America have such a retarded energy policy??

To name a few, we have at least two untapped oil fields on the north slope in Alaska, the Santa Barbara field off the California coast, reserves off the coasts of Virginia and North Carolina and the Destin field off the west coast of Florida, yet we had rather import oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuella.

We havn't built a new refinery in America in forty years except the one approved by every libtard's favorite ecologist, Al Gore.

And the Elk Hills scandal is ridiculous in the magnitude of fraud perpetuated on the American people.

To refresh your memory, Al Gore bypassed at least four federal agencies that taxpayers pay billions to support each year and had a past campaign manager estimate the cost of extraction from that oil field that we had held as an emergency resource for 80 years more or less.

Al's man gave an estimate that was 4 times the actual cost. Since private oil companies weren't allowed to make their own survey, they made their bids accordingly.

The oil company that has by far the worst ecological record of all obviously had inside info and got the bid.

The founder of that oil company was a known communist and agent of the USSR and had been a lifelong mentor to the Gore family and the Gore's continue to reap benefits from their association with Occidental oil.

There now, no cut and paste, (other than the Dilbert toon, which is more than your reply deserves) and the post is under 20,000 words.

So where is the outrage???

Where is some common sense expressed in that we need to drasticly change our energy policy and in the completely opposite direction of 'cap and trade' and other schemes that do nothing other than penalize the American people???

I said that less is more when it comes to posting and this is your response. What does any of this have to do with posting on a message board???? :huh:

1. You are aware that chat rooms and message boards are two distinctly different animals??

2. Who died and left you in charge of telling everyone the proper methodology of message board posting??

3. What does this have to do with tapping or not tapping America's oil reserves and developing a rational energy policy??

 

[rjd970]

Your #6 post is only slightly less off topic than the retarded #4 post.

Where to start? First there is only one bolded sentence.

I'm not so interested in the mentality or numbers of 'libtards', what I am interested in is why does America have such a retarded energy policy??

To name a few, we have at least two untapped oil fields on the north slope in Alaska, the Santa Barbara field off the California coast, reserves off the coasts of Virginia and North Carolina and the Destin field off the west coast of Florida, yet we had rather import oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuella.

We havn't built a new refinery in America in forty years except the one approved by every libtard's favorite ecologist, Al Gore.

And the Elk Hills scandal is ridiculous in the magnitude of fraud perpetuated on the American people.

To refresh your memory, Al Gore bypassed at least four federal agencies that taxpayers pay billions to support each year and had a past campaign manager estimate the cost of extraction from that oil field that we had held as an emergency resource for 80 years more or less.

Al's man gave an estimate that was 4 times the actual cost. Since private oil companies weren't allowed to make their own survey, they made their bids accordingly.

The oil company that has by far the worst ecological record of all obviously had inside info and got the bid.

The founder of that oil company was a known communist and agent of the USSR and had been a lifelong mentor to the Gore family and the Gore's continue to reap benefits from their association with Occidental oil.

There now, no cut and paste, (other than the Dilbert toon, which is more than your reply deserves) and the post is under 20,000 words.

So where is the outrage???

Where is some common sense expressed in that we need to drasticly change our energy policy and in the completely opposite direction of 'cap and trade' and other schemes that do nothing other than penalize the American people???

First off, you are embarrassing yourself, although I wouldn't expect you to realize it. There are two bolded passages in the quote in post #6, go back and look again. It really isn't that hard.

Second, you specifically wanted a lib to explain "if Cuba can explore for oil and gas off the coast of Florida, how come the United States can't?"

...to which I answered, I didn't think libs would think it was ok for anybody to explore off the coast of Florida, Cuba included. Find me where liberals said it was ok for Cuba to and you have a point.

It's not my problem you view random Dilbert cartoons as staying on topic, but I addressed the original question, of which you can't seem to understand. You can address energy policy until you are blue in the face, but the fact still remains there isn't anybody (liberal or not) that is fine with Cuba exploring off the coast of Florida. That is the question that was posed, and that is what I addressed.

 

[gsvol]

First off, you are embarrassing yourself, although I wouldn't expect you to realize it. There are two bolded passages in the quote in post #6, go back and look again. It really isn't that hard.

Second, you specifically wanted a lib to explain "if Cuba can explore for oil and gas off the coast of Florida, how come the United States can't?"

...to which I answered, I didn't think libs would think it was ok for anybody to explore off the coast of Florida, Cuba included. Find me where liberals said it was ok for Cuba to and you have a point.

It's not my problem you view random Dilbert cartoons as staying on topic, but I addressed the original question, of which you can't seem to understand. You can address energy policy until you are blue in the face, but the fact still remains there isn't anybody (liberal or not) that is fine with Cuba exploring off the coast of Florida. That is the question that was posed, and that is what I addressed.

So then you are good with the Russian/Cuban drilling but disapprove of American drilling???

The only possible way libs might stop drilling by other countries would be the "Lost" treaty which creates an opportunity for the UN to control 70% of Earth's surface.

I specifically asked for a liberal explanation because only a liberal could possibly follow such convoluted idiotic thinking.

Show me any evidence of liberal objection to the Russina/Cuban venture!!

Thanks for explaining, NOT! :hi:

I'll stick by my statement, any attempt at intelligent discussion with you is an exercise in futility.

 

[615 Vol]

Perhaps not.

Your #6 post is only slightly less off topic than the retarded #4 post.



Where to start? First there is only one bolded sentence.

I'm not so interested in the mentality or numbers of 'libtards', what I am interested in is why does America have such a retarded energy policy??

To name a few, we have at least two untapped oil fields on the north slope in Alaska, the Santa Barbara field off the California coast, reserves off the coasts of Virginia and North Carolina and the Destin field off the west coast of Florida, yet we had rather import oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuella.

We havn't built a new refinery in America in forty years except the one approved by every libtard's favorite ecologist, Al Gore.

And the Elk Hills scandal is ridiculous in the magnitude of fraud perpetuated on the American people.

To refresh your memory, Al Gore bypassed at least four federal agencies that taxpayers pay billions to support each year and had a past campaign manager estimate the cost of extraction from that oil field that we had held as an emergency resource for 80 years more or less.

Al's man gave an estimate that was 4 times the actual cost. Since private oil companies weren't allowed to make their own survey, they made their bids accordingly.

The oil company that has by far the worst ecological record of all obviously had inside info and got the bid.

The founder of that oil company was a known communist and agent of the USSR and had been a lifelong mentor to the Gore family and the Gore's continue to reap benefits from their association with Occidental oil.

There now, no cut and paste, (other than the Dilbert toon, which is more than your reply deserves) and the post is under 20,000 words.

So where is the outrage???

Where is some common sense expressed in that we need to drasticly change our energy policy and in the completely opposite direction of 'cap and trade' and other schemes that do nothing other than penalize the American people???



1. You are aware that chat rooms and message boards are two distinctly different animals??

I do know the difference and I also know that people tune you out because your posts are too long. It's nothing against you, I don't know you. I am, like many others, trying to give you good advice so that people will hear your message rather than skip it.

2. Who died and left you in charge of telling everyone the proper methodology of message board posting??

So my opinion that less is more when it comes to posting shouldn't be posted? You do realize it's an opinion, right?? Sounds like you should ask yourself that question since you want to control what content is acceptable or not.

3. What does this have to do with tapping or not tapping America's oil reserves and developing a rational energy policy??

It has to do with people getting information from you without scrolling past your book to the next post. You're smart and you add a lot of good info but it's too long sometimes.

:hi: