I thought Reps were the fear-mongers...

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I don't think anyone believes he's literally throwing them off a cliff. But its pretty over the top, yes.
 
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milohimself said:
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I have a lot more respect for those on the hill who aren't career scumb... Err, politicians.
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You mean the ones that get voted out for being terrible, or the ones that consider themselves true servants of the public?

NM, The second group is extinct for all intensive purposes.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You mean the ones that get voted out for being terrible, or the ones that consider themselves true servants of the public?

NM, The second group is extinct for all intensive purposes.
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Yeah, the second group is as good as the unicorn: a complete myth.
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Not true. That's how I view Ron Paul. I disagree with him on much but I respect him.
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BeecherVol said:
You mean the ones that get voted out for being terrible, or the ones that consider themselves true servants of the public?

NM, The second group is extinct for all intensive purposes.
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Pretty sure they all consider themselves true servants of the public... but they are self-serving above all.
 
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In this day, you can tell how much of a statesman a guy is (versus a politician) by how much they are attacked, demonized, and villified and how much their bold, possibly workable, solutions are demagogued by establishment types in DC (special interests, politicians, and media).

Genuine statesmen whose true goal is to uphold the US Constitution are a rare commodity in large measure because the People have little tolerance for them. People want gov't fixed as long as it doesn't touch their sacred cow. Politicians are at the core salesmen. They have to convince the customer they'll give them what they want and need but actually serve other interests.

This will only change when we demand representatives who abide strictly by the USC and laws of our land. I am not optimistic that voters are going to choose integrity and allegiance to the letter of the USC over pretty promises any time soon.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think anyone believes he's literally throwing them off a cliff. But its pretty over the top, yes.
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you mean just how no one actually believes palin was telling people to terminate candidates?
 
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droski said:
you mean just how no one actually believes palin was telling people to terminate candidates?
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MG1968 said:
that was different, she was using cross-hairs
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Not comparable, at many levels.

First, the ad is so obviously over the top that it is basically a parody. Anyone watching it would realize it is done for that purpose. In contrast, the TP had active candidates discussing (to loud cheers and applause) using Second Amendment remedies if they didn't get their way in the elections.

Second, this ad doesn't tell its audience to do something, i.e. push people off of cliffs. It represents the Congressman doing that as an obvious exaggeration of the effects of the bill. The ads by the TP, especially in context of their statements on the campaign trail, insinuated that the country was in a deep crisis because of Obama and that someone needed to stand up and take extreme action to get him out of the WH.

They are not remotely the same thing.

Good try, though.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not comparable, at many levels.

First, the ad is so obviously over the top that it is basically a parody. Anyone watching it would realize it is done for that purpose. In contrast, the TP had active candidates discussing (to loud cheers and applause) using Second Amendment remedies if they didn't get their way in the elections.

Second, this ad doesn't tell its audience to do something, i.e. push people off of cliffs. It represents the Congressman doing that as an obvious exaggeration of the effects of the bill. The ads by the TP, especially in context of their statements on the campaign trail, insinuated that the country was in a deep crisis because of Obama and that someone needed to stand up and take extreme action to get him out of the WH.

They are not remotely the same thing.

Good try, though.
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I doubt the ad was condoning violence toward the president...though with Palin, you can never be certain.
 
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you are right. they arent' the same. this ad is far far worse. your excuse is mind blowing.
 
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droski said:
you are right. they arent' the same. this ad is far far worse. your excuse is mind blowing.
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I didn't say I liked it. And, I did say I thought it was over the top.

But it doesn't come close to implying that violence against political opponents is okay, which is what the TP ads at issue (and associated comments) did.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't say I liked it. And, I did say I thought it was over the top.

But it doesn't come close to implying that violence against political opponents is okay, which is what the TP ads at issue (and associated comments) did.
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wait a minute. actually throwing someone off a cliff doesn't imply violence is ok, but putting an imaginary crosshair on someone does? interesting logic.
 
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droski said:
one is actually showing violence, the other is an analogy a 1st grader could understand. this isn't that complicated.
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the way they tap dance around an issue, LG and utgibbs could be the next Dean Martin and Sammy Davis, Jr.
 
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VOLatile said:
Pretty sure they all consider themselves true servants of the public... but they are self-serving above all.
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Wouldn't doubt that at all. Be hard to sleep at night if otherwise. Even if they have to convince themselves.
 
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