I want a dual threat QB

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LibertyVolance

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I don't care what his name is or who the QB of the day is. It's like having a 13th man on offense. It gives the D something else to worry about. Thompson of SCar might have had as good a arm as Shaw, but SCar was dead in the water before Shaw came in the 4th qtr of that game with Missouri and overcame a 17 point deficit to win in OT. And NOBODY needs an extra kick on offense worse than us right now.

It means you have to stay deep with QBs. It gives them all an incentive to stay ready to go in the game at any time.

I was really tired of seeing us run the QB option and the Worley never opting to keep the ball and run with it. It was ridiculous. Now that Dobbs has played, then it is my hope that both QBs begin taking advantage of open field when it's there. That's just my 2 cents on the subject. I want mobile QBs from here on out.
 
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Absolutely. I've seen mobile QB's kill us for years. We haven't had one be a consistent starter for us since 1998. Tee wasn't greased lightning, but he could scramble.

We don't have to have Mike Vick, but I want a guy who can pick up a first down by scrambling for 10 yards on 3rd and 7 when nothing is open.
 
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Mobile QB life expectancy is about half of drop back QB. Just give us three good years Dobbers!
 
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Worley can run. Worley HAS run effectively this year.

I am as certain as I can be without having been told directly by someone on the team or staff that Worley was told not to pull it on the read option. That opinion was formed by watching both Worley and the coaches answer questions about it repeatedly since the UF game. Worley kept saying "I have keys".... while passing on wide open running lanes over and over. The coaches gave various answers that add up to misdirection.


My hope is that if Worley remains the starter, they tell him to start running it. I'm fine if they start Dobbs too... but apparently did not see the things in his 5/12 performance that some of you saw. Yes. He looked good moving around. Jones said he managed the O sufficiently well. He looked good throwing. But effectiveness is the most important thing... not the way a player "looks". And you should not ignore that Dobbs played mostly against back ups. The scoring drive was after Bama went to their back ups.
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley can run. Worley HAS run effectively this year.

I am as certain as I can be without having been told directly by someone on the team or staff that Worley was told not to pull it on the read option. That opinion was formed by watching both Worley and the coaches answer questions about it repeatedly since the UF game. Worley kept saying "I have keys".... while passing on wide open running lanes over and over. The coaches gave various answers that add up to misdirection.


My hope is that if Worley remains the starter, they tell him to start running it. I'm fine if they start Dobbs too... but apparently did not see the things in his 5/12 performance that some of you saw. Yes. He looked good moving around. Jones said he managed the O sufficiently well. He looked good throwing. But effectiveness is the most important thing... not the way a player "looks". And you should not ignore that Dobbs played mostly against back ups. The scoring drive was after Bama went to their back ups.
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As I stated, I want whomever is in at QB to use his legs and make some plays with them. I know I've always viewed opposing QBs with that ability with considerable trepidation for the obvious reasons. It can turn a passive offense into an attacking offense and cause a defense problems. Don't like being always on the receiving end of those problems. Plus it was always more fun watching our running QBs of the past. Much more exciting.
 
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I think the Dobbs prototype sets the standard for Butch's future QBs. Virtually all of the run plays in this offense have the misdirection with the option of the keeper. I believe that we havent even seen the the 3rd page of that playbook either.
 
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Give me a QB that wins. Whether he's dual threat or not, I couldn't care less. I do not ever want a QB that can run better than he can throw though.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
I don't care what his name is or who the QB of the day is. It's like having a 13th man on offense. It gives the D something else to worry about. Thompson of SCar might have had as good a arm as Shaw, but SCar was dead in the water before Shaw came in the 4th qtr of that game with Missouri and overcame a 17 point deficit to win in OT. And NOBODY needs an extra kick on offense worse than us right now.

It means you have to stay deep with QBs. It gives them all an incentive to stay ready to go in the game at any time.

I was really tired of seeing us run the QB option and the Worley never opting to keep the ball and run with it. It was ridiculous. Now that Dobbs has played, then it is my hope that both QBs begin taking advantage of open field when it's there. That's just my 2 cents on the subject. I want mobile QBs from here on out.
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Not really true. S.Car fumbled at the 2 and again down by the 30. Thompson moved the ball on Mizzou, Davis couldnt hold onto the ball. We dont need a true DT QB in this conference, just one like Dobbs, Fergs who can use their feet to get out of trouble and atleast be an option on the read options.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
...who can use their feet to get out of trouble and atleast be an option on the read options.
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I still don't care who Jones decides to start. I will support any of them and see good potential in all of them. However Worley can do this if they allow it. He's looked surprisingly good running. Certainly better than Thompson. Not sure about his top end but he looks as good running as Shaw from the limited times we've seen him do it.

Now that Dobbs' RS has been burned anyway... I hope they tell JW to RUN! when the opportunity presents itself... and with Mizzou's habit of overpursuing... it will.
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley can run. Worley HAS run effectively this year.

I am as certain as I can be without having been told directly by someone on the team or staff that Worley was told not to pull it on the read option. That opinion was formed by watching both Worley and the coaches answer questions about it repeatedly since the UF game. Worley kept saying "I have keys".... while passing on wide open running lanes over and over. The coaches gave various answers that add up to misdirection.


My hope is that if Worley remains the starter, they tell him to start running it. I'm fine if they start Dobbs too... but apparently did not see the things in his 5/12 performance that some of you saw. Yes. He looked good moving around. Jones said he managed the O sufficiently well. He looked good throwing. But effectiveness is the most important thing... not the way a player "looks". And you should not ignore that Dobbs played mostly against back ups. The scoring drive was after Bama went to their back ups.
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He definitely didnt play against mostly backups or a team playing conservative. They wanted a shutout and not to give up a TD. Dobbs had atleast 3 passes dropped. I just want to win, no matter who starts. But Worley is next to last in QB rabing, just ahead of Arky's QB who is aweful. Worley leads the SEC in interceptions, so even some who say he doesn't make many mistakes can't use that anymore. And truthfully he is lucky he doesnt have more int's. North bailed him out 3 times alone in the SC game. Don't see that QB depth chart meaning much today.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He definitely didnt play against mostly backups or a team playing conservative. They wanted a shutout and not to give up a TD. Dobbs had atleast 3 passes dropped. I just want to win, no matter who starts. But Worley is next to last in QB rabing, just ahead of Arky's QB who is aweful. Worley leads the SEC in interceptions, so even some who say he doesn't make many mistakes can't use that anymore. And truthfully he is lucky he doesnt have more int's. North bailed him out 3 times alone in the SC game. Don't see that QB depth chart meaning much today.
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They did want that shutout. Even after the FG, their defense did not want to yield a TD. They had a string of quarters without one.
 
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We don't really have one on the roster. Dobbs and Ferguson are way too slight to be out there taking many hits. I'd rather have a winning QB than a dual threat one. :)
 
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sjt18 said:
I still don't care who Jones decides to start. I will support any of them and see good potential in all of them. However Worley can do this if they allow it. He's looked surprisingly good running. Certainly better than Thompson. Not sure about his top end but he looks as good running as Shaw from the limited times we've seen him do it.

Now that Dobbs' RS has been burned anyway... I hope they tell JW to RUN! when the opportunity presents itself... and with Mizzou's habit of overpursuing... it will.
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I agree, but would be shocked if Worley starts Saturday. The starting QB, atleast according to the Coach's show will be determined on this weeks practice,, so really that depth QB chart means nothing today. We didnt know Peterman was starting till late in the week and willing to bet he doesnt want to tip his hand to Mizzou on Monday and give them a full week to prep for Dobbs. I may be reading too much into it and be way off but fact is we have the 2nd worst QB rating and leads the SEC in interceptions. And its not like he throws it 35-40 times a game. With the RS shot they may as well make ise of it. But I trust the Coach's either way.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
They did want that shutout. Even after the FG, their defense did not want to yield a TD. They had a string of quarters without one.
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Exactly..I know that got under Saban's skin. And he had McCarron out throwing the ball up 42-10 with 6 mins left.
 
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I doubt Dobbs starts if Worley is healthy.

OTOH, it would be very cool if I could say I attended Dobbs first start for UT if he becomes as good as I think he can be.
 
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Lost in all this.... UT's receivers need to play well and have a REALLY good chance to show out vs Mizzou's secondary if the pass pro holds up. Mizzou's talent in the secondary is similar to UT's if you took away Sutton and Randolph. They are very well coached and have a good system. They are not athletic by SEC standards.
 
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I do not know why everyone thinks we won a NC in 98 bc the QB could scramble, that team was so full of talent about like the bama teams of today. 98 was special it was the perfect storm and we capitalized by winning 98 NC with great Defense, special teams and a balanced offense. Tee played good that year and never made the mistake to get us beat.

Everyone always uses 98 as an example of why we need a mobile QB but never mentions 99 when we had a great chance to repeat as NC, we go to Florida and the great mobile QB was sacked iirc 8 times, we go on a great run and play ourselves into NC contention again and then lose to Arkansas on day if we win that game we will be ranked number 1 in BCS and great chance to repeat but we lose and then lose to Nebraska in bowl game for first 3 lose or more season since 1994.

I do not care if the QB is a pocket passer, a scrambler, dual threat or just a running QB the bottom line is how many games the team wins.

You are not going to win in the SEC without a good Defense, does not matter how good the offense is just ask doofus.

You will not win in the SEC without good QB play to go along with a good Defense.

In conclusion it doesn't matter if you have a dual threat QB like Tebow and Newton or a pocket passer like McCarron or McElroy, you can win with both if you have the talent around them and a good defense.
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley can run. Worley HAS run effectively this year.

I am as certain as I can be without having been told directly by someone on the team or staff that Worley was told not to pull it on the read option. That opinion was formed by watching both Worley and the coaches answer questions about it repeatedly since the UF game. Worley kept saying "I have keys".... while passing on wide open running lanes over and over. The coaches gave various answers that add up to misdirection.


My hope is that if Worley remains the starter, they tell him to start running it. I'm fine if they start Dobbs too... but apparently did not see the things in his 5/12 performance that some of you saw. Yes. He looked good moving around. Jones said he managed the O sufficiently well. He looked good throwing. But effectiveness is the most important thing... not the way a player "looks". And you should not ignore that Dobbs played mostly against back ups. The scoring drive was after Bama went to their back ups.
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go back and watch the game. see how many of the 5 for12 that hit receiver in the hand,not behind,not below, not above, but in his hands
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Not really true. S.Car fumbled at the 2 and again down by the 30. Thompson moved the ball on Mizzou, Davis couldnt hold onto the ball. We dont need a true DT QB in this conference, just one like Dobbs, Fergs who can use their feet to get out of trouble and atleast be an option on the read options.
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Although duly noted that Davis and those fumbles occurred, just what are you saying is untrue?

Was the score not 17-0 Mizzou when Spurrier turned to Connor Shaw to direct drives of 65, 69, and 63 yards to tie the game eventually winning in OT 27-24?

You said that was untrue. Now either I need glasses or I'm certain that I saw Connor Shaw directing those drives in the 4th quarter.
 
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