I want to explain the offer/recruiting game, in the Spring, a little....

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g8terh8ter_eric

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Here's how, most of the time, it works.....

1. You offer as many great/good prospects as you can. You evaluate and evaluate to make sure that they will make your team great and fit your system.

2. In the Spring you start to gauge their interest. You still recruit those that you want, but the one's that may or may not be right you start to trim the fat some.

3. You create your commit order you would like to see so you can get the right prospects in at the right time so others will follow and notice.

4. After that you start to take a few silents and a few public commits. The public commits are typically those guys that are excited to play for UT and grew up either fans or became enamored with the team as the process went on. These are your word of mouth guys and we all know the best advertising is word of mouth. The silents you keep silent until the public one's that will generate positive steam for recruiting wear off a little, then you start to release the silents to keep everything rolling.

The reason you do this is for cohesiveness on your board. If you just start taking commits from lower ranking prospects you might scare off the higher rated prospects and then you screw yourself into having to settle for a lesser talent. Everything is done for a reason, and I COMPLETELY 100% trust Coach O and staff to make the proper decision on when to let the cats out of the bag.
 
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Do you think that Kiffin and Co. have several guys committed right now that they will release in one big moment to start the whole thing off? I can see them pulling off a big shabang with about 3-4 recruits announcing their intentions on the same day. That would grab headlines fast and bring a lot of energy...just a thought.
 
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aaronvol said:
Do you think that Kiffin and Co. have several guys committed right now that they will release in one big moment to start the whole thing off? I can see them pulling off a big shabang with about 3-4 recruits announcing their intentions on the same day. That would grab headlines fast and bring a lot of energy...just a thought.
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Big Bang energy isn't their thing, consistency in their energy is. One per every two weeks during the summer would be just about right.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Big Bang energy isn't their thing, consistency in their energy is. One per every two weeks during the summer would be just about right.
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I'm not saying that wouldn't be great. What I am saying is that do you see them starting the summer off with a big bang? then bring in 1 every few weeks. i can see that being the shot in the arm they would like to have.
 
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aaronvol said:
I'm not saying that wouldn't be great. What I am saying is that do you see them starting the summer off with a big bang? then bring in 1 every few weeks. i can see that being the shot in the arm they would like to have.
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No, because having 3-5 commits in one day doesn't make sense to me with the coaching staff. They seem more concerned with keeping a constant buzz around all year long in recruiting.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Here's how, most of the time, it works.....

1. You offer as many great/good prospects as you can. You evaluate and evaluate to make sure that they will make your team great and fit your system.

2. In the Spring you start to gauge their interest. You still recruit those that you want, but the one's that may or may not be right you start to trim the fat some.

3. You create your commit order you would like to see so you can get the right prospects in at the right time so others will follow and notice.

4. After that you start to take a few silents and a few public commits. The public commits are typically those guys that are excited to play for UT and grew up either fans or became enamored with the team as the process went on. These are your word of mouth guys and we all know the best advertising is word of mouth. The silents you keep silent until the public one's that will generate positive steam for recruiting wear off a little, then you start to release the silents to keep everything rolling.

The reason you do this is for cohesiveness on your board. If you just start taking commits from lower ranking prospects you might scare off the higher rated prospects and then you screw yourself into having to settle for a lesser talent. Everything is done for a reason, and I COMPLETELY 100% trust Coach O and staff to make the proper decision on when to let the cats out of the bag.
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So what is an 'offer' really? What if a huge amount of the offered kids, more than we can take, commit? There's really nothing binding between either party until the LOI is signed. Is an offer nothing more than a letter that says we're very interested in you at this particular time, stay tuned?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Here's how, most of the time, it works.....

1. You offer as many great/good prospects as you can. You evaluate and evaluate to make sure that they will make your team great and fit your system.

2. In the Spring you start to gauge their interest. You still recruit those that you want, but the one's that may or may not be right you start to trim the fat some.

3. You create your commit order you would like to see so you can get the right prospects in at the right time so others will follow and notice.

4. After that you start to take a few silents and a few public commits. The public commits are typically those guys that are excited to play for UT and grew up either fans or became enamored with the team as the process went on. These are your word of mouth guys and we all know the best advertising is word of mouth. The silents you keep silent until the public one's that will generate positive steam for recruiting wear off a little, then you start to release the silents to keep everything rolling.

The reason you do this is for cohesiveness on your board. If you just start taking commits from lower ranking prospects you might scare off the higher rated prospects and then you screw yourself into having to settle for a lesser talent. Everything is done for a reason, and I COMPLETELY 100% trust Coach O and staff to make the proper decision on when to let the cats out of the bag.
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With the group of dynamic recruiters on this staff, I fully trust this coaching staff to recruit the best possible players available and not settle for less unlike the former staff did.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
So what is an 'offer' really? What if a huge amount of the offered kids, more than we can take, commit? There's really nothing binding between either party until the LOI is signed. Is an offer nothing more than a letter that says we're very interested in you at this particular time, stay tuned?
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No, it's an official letter stating that if they choose to come here they have a scholly reserved for when they come. The LOI ties into that by securing the funds for that particular student when they get here and keeps other teams from recruiting them and placing them under a blanket of protection, so to speak. That's why they are going to let out slowly and methodically who is committing and tell the players that want to commit "No, not yet" so they can C.T.A with respect to getting the best talent on the roster.
 
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It also seems like there's a couple of ways to play the offer game:
1. Saturate the market with tons of offers then narrow down which would seem to lower the value of the offer
2. Be a bit more selective in who you send the offer to thus creating a sense of scarcity and more value

It seems like this staff tries to maintain a higher prestige/value for our offers. We seem to be a bit more methodical in researching and sending the offer and are sending it to a more select group. That approach makes sense to me.
 
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JAllen18 said:
With the group of dynamic recruiters on this staff, I fully trust this coaching staff to recruit the best possible players available and not settle for less unlike the former staff did.
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Which is exactly why they are going about this the way they are. The old staff would just take commits for the most part, and then settle for who they could get when the dust settles on NSD. The current staff is so well organized and such a well oiled machine, they WILL not do that. A place for everyone, and everyone in their place for this staff.
 
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i would imagine that with a situation like you guys have with an inexperienced head coach that the top recruits would wait to commit until the season has started and they see the program is going in the right direction.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
It also seems like there's a couple of ways to play the offer game:
1. Saturate the market with tons of offers then narrow down which would seem to lower the value of the offer
2. Be a bit more selective in who you send the offer to thus creating a sense of scarcity and more value

It seems like this staff tries to maintain a higher prestige/value for our offers. We seem to be a bit more methodical in researching and sending the offer and are sending it to a more select group. That approach makes sense to me.
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We don't have many, if any, pipelines setup right now and one of the reason they have offered so many is to get some exposure in those schools we haven't really penetrated before. I'll put it to you like this, I think we have offered more players in Florida this year, than any other state. I'm not sure on that, but I don't think it's close. Also, we don't have the luxury of setting it up like a Texas or Ohio State because we haven't won anything of any significance in years. They can do what they do because they are challenging for the NC EVERY year. Therefore, they have created an offer of more value by winning each year.
 
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droski said:
i would imagine that with a situation like you guys have with an inexperienced head coach that the top recruits would wait to commit until the season has started and they see the program is going in the right direction.
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Unfortunately, we won't win more than 6-8 games, but yes that is probably true of some of the recruits. If we win more than that, the bar will be set higher next season.
 
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I always wondered what the coaches would say on the phone to their recruits. Like, they call the recruits a lot and talk to them on the phone to recruit them. I just don't see what else they could say after they have visited the campus and gotten a sholarship offered. What else could they possibly talk about? Any ideas?
 
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utvols16manning said:
I always wondered what the coaches would say on the phone to their recruits. Like, they call the recruits a lot and talk to them on the phone to recruit them. I just don't see what else they could say after they have visited the campus and gotten a sholarship offered. What else could they possibly talk about? Any ideas?
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Probably ask how practice/training is going for their upcoming Senior season and talk about how excited they are for them to win that State championship.
 
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utvols16manning said:
I always wondered what the coaches would say on the phone to their recruits. Like, they call the recruits a lot and talk to them on the phone to recruit them. I just don't see what else they could say after they have visited the campus and gotten a sholarship offered. What else could they possibly talk about? Any ideas?
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how is Julie?? What are you doing this weekend?? you going to a movie? Taking Julie?? How is Mom and Dad??

Really, it is more of buidling a relationship with the kid AND figuring out who is the big time decision maker. Is it Mom? Dad? Aunt Joy?? cousin Jimmy?? that is one critical piece they try and get early. Then a lot of calls go to that person....
 
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LWSVOL said:
how is Julie?? What are you doing this weekend?? you going to a movie? Taking Julie?? How is Mom and Dad??

Really, it is more of buidling a relationship with the kid AND figuring out who is the big time decision maker. Is it Mom? Dad? Aunt Joy?? cousin Jimmy?? that is one critical piece they try and get early. Then a lot of calls go to that person....
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Our coaches are like the mafia, they just don't go after you, they go after everyone you know. :)
 
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aaronvol said:
Do you think that Kiffin and Co. have several guys committed right now that they will release in one big moment to start the whole thing off? I can see them pulling off a big shabang with about 3-4 recruits announcing their intentions on the same day. That would grab headlines fast and bring a lot of energy...just a thought.
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I hope thats what they are doing....im in the process of reading "the meat market" about coach O...so i would say if you want the best idea of how they are recruting right now read that...its interesting so far...
 
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Originally Posted by VolinDawgland
So what is an 'offer' really? What if a huge amount of the offered kids, more than we can take, commit? There's really nothing binding between either party until the LOI is signed. Is an offer nothing more than a letter that says we're very interested in you at this particular time, stay tuned?

No, it's an official letter stating that if they choose to come here they have a scholly reserved for when they come. The LOI ties into that by securing the funds for that particular student when they get here and keeps other teams from recruiting them and placing them under a blanket of protection, so to speak. That's why they are going to let out slowly and methodically who is committing and tell the players that want to commit "No, not yet" so they can C.T.A with respect to getting the best talent on the roster.
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It seems like there is a contradiction here. If you give a kid an official letter which means that they can take a scholarship if they choose to do, how can you tell them "no, not yet" if they want to come?

I find this area of recruiting quite grey. I've heard people say that the offer is not binding on the school and could be yanked at any time. The PR would be horrendous in that circumstance.

Anyway, according to the situation you've laid out, what happens if a kid with an offer says he wants to commit. The staff says lets wait and the kid comes back and says no....I don't want to wait....I want my spot reserved now. Does the kid have a "right" to commit? Or can the school say no....that offer letter doesn't give you the right to commit and reserve a scholly?

Any insights on this would be appreciated.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Which is exactly why they are going about this the way they are. The old staff would just take commits for the most part, and then settle for who they could get when the dust settles on NSD. The current staff is so well organized and such a well oiled machine, they WILL not do that. A place for everyone, and everyone in their place for this staff.
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One thing for sure was that Fulmer was one of the best recruiters n the country. Fulmer was very well organized and a great multi tasker. He had some down years but the man put up some great talent in the NFL.
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Just hit Amazon and mine will be here in 5 days, also picked up Mark Levin's new book "Liberty and Tyranny"
 
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MDBJJC said:
One thing for sure was that Fulmer was one of the best recruiters n the country. Fulmer was very well organized and a great multi tasker. He had some down years but the man put up some great talent in the NFL.
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Fulmer missed more than he hit in the past 5 years though. That has to do with assistants as much as him as well.
 
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herkyvol said:
I just got my copy yesterday!
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Rock33 said:
Just hit Amazon and mine will be here in 5 days, also picked up Mark Levin's new book "Liberty and Tyranny"
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I am very confident in saying that both of you will enjoy this book. It will open your eyes to the recruiting world. Also, CEO will get you fired up while reading it. Enjoy. :good!:
 
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