I was reading an interesting article about seeding

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They were talking about if its better to be the 4th 1 seed or the first 2 seed. They went into all kinds of details and statistics but the one thing I didn't see them discuss and it leads me to a question.

I have always thought that the last 1 seed and first 2 seed are in same bracket.... so for all intents and purposes its a moot point. Right? They face each other in the elite 8 if they win out either way assuming they both win out. I am not sure how the other seeds shake out for the bracket but I am pretty sure that's how it works can anyone confirm or deny?
 
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I don’t mean to be an ass, but this has been discussed approximately 500 times in all of the NCAAT/seeding threads on here for the last few months - flip through any of those details. The short answer is that the S-Curve is not a straight snake. Higher ranked teams/seeds get preference on location both in region and in individual first round locations.
 
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I apologize, the article I read was new and I haven't bothered frequenting the seeding threads until now since its relevant now. I did read through some I found here but....as you said there are quite a few but they all get well off topic within the first few pages.

So you're all saying based on some fact the 4th 1 seed does not play in same bracket as the first 2nd seed.. because every bracket I have seen seems to work that way.
 
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pimo1 said:
I apologize, the article I read was new and I haven't bothered frequenting the seeding threads until now since its relevant now. I did read through some I found here but....as you said there are quite a few but they all get well off topic within the first few pages.

So you're all saying based on some fact the 4th 1 seed does not play in same bracket as the first 2nd seed.. because every bracket I have seen seems to work that way.
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Most of those brackets would likely have had UT 4 and Zona 5 both in the west. That’s a coincidence and not a requirement though. If it’s UNC and UT as 4/5 the 4 would be in the West with Zona and the 5 would be somewhere else.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
Most of those brackets would likely have had UT 4 and Zona 5 both in the west. That’s a coincidence and not a requirement though. If it’s UNC and UT as 4/5 the 4 would be in the West with Zona and the 5 would be somewhere else.
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Thank you sir
 
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pimo1 said:
They were talking about if its better to be the 4th 1 seed or the first 2 seed. They went into all kinds of details and statistics but the one thing I didn't see them discuss and it leads me to a question.

I have always thought that the last 1 seed and first 2 seed are in same bracket.... so for all intents and purposes its a moot point. Right? They face each other in the elite 8 if they win out either way assuming they both win out. I am not sure how the other seeds shake out for the bracket but I am pretty sure that's how it works can anyone confirm or deny?
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They did that for several years. Recently things have changed as to seeding, location, etc.
 
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pimo1 said:
I apologize, the article I read was new and I haven't bothered frequenting the seeding threads until now since its relevant now. I did read through some I found here but....as you said there are quite a few but they all get well off topic within the first few pages.

So you're all saying based on some fact the 4th 1 seed does not play in same bracket as the first 2nd seed.. because every bracket I have seen seems to work that way.
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Don’t apologize as everyone doesn’t comb through threads.
 
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IIRC, a team will need to win six games to be crowned national champion whether they are a 1 or a 2 seed. I think this whole debate is a lot about nothing.

And, given our tournament history, I’d almost rather not have the pressure of being a 1.
 
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EZE said:
IIRC, a team will need to win six games to be crowned national champion whether they are a 1 or a 2 seed. I think this whole debate is a lot about nothing.

And, given our tournament history, I’d almost rather not have the pressure of being a 1.
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It’s not about nothing. If you look at possible 3 and 4 seeds, you would certainly want to play the 4’s in the Sweet 16. But at the end of the day, you have to win the games in front of you.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It’s not about nothing. If you look at possible 3 and 4 seeds, you would certainly want to play the 4’s in the Sweet 16. But at the end of the day, you have to win the games in front of you.
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My take is that you eventually have to beat some good teams either way. It just doesn’t get me wound up whether we end up as a 1 or 2.

But, it does get me wound up that we are in the discussion…because it means that Barnes has built this into a nationally relevant program.
 
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berryvol said:
I don’t mean to be an ass, but this has been discussed approximately 500 times in all of the NCAAT/seeding threads on here for the last few months - flip through any of those details. The short answer is that the S-Curve is not a straight snake. Higher ranked teams/seeds get preference on location both in region and in individual first round locations.
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Momma always told when someone says something and then puts a but in it. Ignore the parts before the but. lol
 
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VolCalls said:
There’s also the policy that the first four teams from the same conference have to be in different regions, so if Houston is #2 overall and Iowa State is #7, for example, they cannot be in the same region.
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I did not know that. Interesting and makes sense.
 
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pimo1 said:
I apologize, the article I read was new and I haven't bothered frequenting the seeding threads until now since its relevant now. I did read through some I found here but....as you said there are quite a few but they all get well off topic within the first few pages.

So you're all saying based on some fact the 4th 1 seed does not play in same bracket as the first 2nd seed.. because every bracket I have seen seems to work that way.
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How dare you ask this question without first having skimmed through thousands of posts to find the answer. Newb.
 
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EZE said:
My take is that you eventually have to beat some good teams either way. It just doesn’t get me wound up whether we end up as a 1 or 2.

But, it does get me wound up that we are in the discussion…because it means that Barnes has built this into a nationally relevant program.
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Mostly agree…but there is a line between good teams and FF level teams.
 
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Soooooo.....if it's not a true snake and we get the first #2 seed, then which region and against which #1 seed do we plan in?
 
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Aw man I thought this was an article on gardening. Planting Orange trees...GO VOLS!
 
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VolPack22 said:
We would be in Houston’s or Purdue’s region.
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Gonna be Houston. Just feel it comin'. To my eye, they're the worst matchup among the 1 seeds for us. Then again, if we don't get some help offensively for Knecht and ZZ, we likely won't have to worry about facing them.
 
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#1 Seeds are a mute point right now unless we dominate the SEC tourney
 
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