If Dooley had beaten South Carolina last year...

If we had won at S.Car last year & gone 6-6, would it have been a pretty good season?

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If a couple plays went differently and we had beaten South Carolina last year, would you have considered it a good season? Would you have wanted Dooley back? This is assuming the rest of the season went exactly as it did otherwise (i.e. we lose to Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. but beat Kentucky and end up 6-6).

I'm curious.
 
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oregonvol said:
If a couple plays went differently and we had beaten South Carolina last year, would you have considered it a good season? Would you have wanted Dooley back? This is assuming the rest of the season went exactly as it did otherwise (i.e. we lose to Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. but beat Kentucky and end up 6-6).

I'm curious.
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Its a blessing he lost to South Carolina, or else he might have not have gotten fired
 
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oregonvol said:
If a couple plays went differently and we had beaten South Carolina last year, would you have considered it a good season? Would you have wanted Dooley back? This is assuming the rest of the season went exactly as it did otherwise (i.e. we lose to Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. but beat Kentucky and end up 6-6).

I'm curious.
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The fact remains that he wasnt able to beat anyone outside of a couple of doormat programs. If we had managed to beat usce last year, I still would want him gone considering that the program was headed even further south.
 
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Hard to answer this question since most of us now know how Dooley was destroying our recruitment. I would say no since after 3 years he would have shown basically no improvement.
 
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No and here is why:

He could coach up WR and even find decent talent in low rated players however he couldn't coach in game, time management was not there, also he couldn't coach the defensive side of the ball and couldn't make a hire to do so.

The largest factor however was the players didn't respect him. Tyler Bray under CBJ would have either walked away from the team or been a high 1st round pick. His lack of respect for his coach is what lost us a lot of ball games. Look at Palardy, he is proof of the lack of respect and ample amounts of distrust ayers had in Dooley.
 
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BearCat204 said:
The fact remains that he wasnt able to beat anyone outside of a couple of doormat programs. If we had managed to beat usce last year, I still would want him gone considering that the program was headed even further south.
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Fair enough. But wouldn't you have said that we had improved and were heading the opposite direction, if we had beaten S. Carolina?

edit: can't find the poll I recall.
 
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phowell23 said:
Hard to answer this question since most of us now know how Dooley was destroying our recruitment. I would say no since after 3 years he would have shown basically no improvement.
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Okay, but would you have considered it a good (or at least above average) season? Just looking at the results and not taking to account stuff no one here ever talked about until after Dooley had been fired. Wouldn't most here have used a S. Carolina victory as a sign of improvement?
 
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With that roster, schedule, and state of other SEC teams he played, anything less than 8-4 would have been a failure in my opinion. I think that team under different leadership could have had 9 wins last year. It would have taken 10-2 to make me believe in him after that UK loss. I am not sure people understand how awful that loss was and how many indictments it was on him as a coach and a leader. He lost me that day and it would have taken a lot to make me believe in him as our head coach. JMO
 
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oregonvol said:
Fair enough. But wouldn't you have said that we had improved and were heading the opposite direction, if we had beaten S. Carolina?

I'm curious about the results of this, because I remember even after the South Carolina game last year, we had a poll here asking if folks thought Dooley was the best guy for the job and the vast majority here voted "yes."
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There was nothing in the 3 years that Dooley was here that I thought he was the best guy for the job. His constant excuses for mediocrity, constant throwing players under the bus, inability to change the attitude of the players to a winning one, and all while having a much better roster than CBJ has right now clearly showed that he was in over his head and not head coaching material at this level. If we somehow fall into a win against usce last year, my opinion on him as a HC would not have changed.....might have tried to be a little more optimistic, but it was clearly shown he did not belong here. A 6-6 record last year with that roster would not have been a successful season IMO, unless one of those wins were against the gumps..........which always equals a successful season IMO.
 
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oregonvol said:
I'm curious about the results of this, because I remember even after the South Carolina game last year, we had a poll here asking if folks thought Dooley was the best guy for the job and the vast majority here voted "yes."
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this is the poll that shows your "vast majority"?

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...oley-approval-thread-post-south-carolina.html

and another

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/176529-fire-dooley-keep-him-poll.html
 
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if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass .....

are recruiting would be awful and he would have been fired this year .we would be 2-7 undre dooley right now... 2-7
 
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oregonvol said:
If a couple plays went differently and we had beaten South Carolina last year, would you have considered it a good season? Would you have wanted Dooley back? This is assuming the rest of the season went exactly as it did otherwise (i.e. we lose to Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. but beat Kentucky and end up 6-6).

I'm curious.
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I think the better question is if he would have still been here had the team beaten Missouri last year (and gone to and possibly won a bowl game).
 
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Dooley= no Berrys...no Kelly....no Hurd....and struggling to fill a recruiting class with 15 three stars.
 
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Volsbackto1998 said:
You might try after the NC State game.
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Nah, there was definitely one last year in the midst of the season. It was after a loss. I thought it was after the South Carolina loss, but it may have been Mississippi State. There was a question about who was the best coach for the job and I think the choices were like "Saban", "Dooley" and "other". Dooley was ahead by a good margin. But I can't find it now. Could have been deleted, I know threads here do get deleted for various and capricious reasons.

I am curious about the results of the other polls posted. I don't remember that kind of huge anti-Dooley sentiment here mid-way through last season. In fact, I could point to countless threads defending him then. I wonder when those polls closed and when the votes were entered.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I think the better question is if he would have still been here had the team beaten Missouri last year (and gone to and possibly won a bowl game).
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I believe he would, and if you believe the talk around here from "insiders", Hart would have retained him. Of course who knows if that's true, but I honestly do believe he would have been back had they won the Missouri game, or if they had somehow rebounded and upset Vanderbilt.
 
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