If Dooley had beaten South Carolina last year...

If we had won at S.Car last year & gone 6-6, would it have been a pretty good season?

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#28
#28
I don't understand. Outside of UGA and USC, this season has looked a hell of a lot like a Dooley season. I'm trying to be as optimistic as everyone else, but we're getting blown out. I know we're outmatched, but USC alone shouldn't buy Butch a pass. We better take down Vandy and UK easily if we don't win this Saturday.

Recruiting is going well, but didn't Dooley get praised for his recruiting early on, too? Doesn't every new coach come in and do pretty well on the recruiting trail? It's easy to sell a program on the rise up, as long as you start winning and start early. We better start winning soon.
 
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#29
#29
Thrasher865 said:
I don't understand. Outside of UGA and USC, this season has looked a hell of a lot like a Dooley season. I'm trying to be as optimistic as everyone else, but we're getting blown out. I know we're outmatched, but USC alone shouldn't buy Butch a pass. We better take down Vandy and UK easily if we don't win this Saturday.

Recruiting is going well, but didn't Dooley get praised for his recruiting early on, too? Doesn't every new coach come in and do pretty well on the recruiting trail? It's easy to sell a program on the rise up, as long as you start winning and start early. We better start winning soon.
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Doolei didn't recruit that great, really. He missed out on a lot of talent, didn't even have Von Bell on the radar, didn't evaluate well, etc. This season has been very different than Dooley. Things continually worsened under Dooley, players didn't buy in, he was brash and aloof with people, etc. There is so much more to it than just recruiting. The leadership in the program is so much better.
 
#33
#33
It was his 3rd season and he had a ton of offensive talent. IMO the measuring stick was to beat UF and he did not. Now, if he had lost to UF and then beat UGA & USCe then he'd be our guy.
 
#34
#34
Yes i would have considered it a decent year, especially if he capped it off with a top 5 recruiting class and some of the best talent in the nation.

But instead, he went 5-7, got blown out by Vandy, and had a top 25 class.

big difference in 14 4*s and 4 4*s...


Thanks, but try again to bash this coaching staff by comparing it to the Doolander.
 
#35
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oregonvol said:
If a couple plays went differently and we had beaten South Carolina last year, would you have considered it a good season? Would you have wanted Dooley back? This is assuming the rest of the season went exactly as it did otherwise (i.e. we lose to Vanderbilt, Missouri, etc. but beat Kentucky and end up 6-6).

I'm curious.
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With the offensive talent we had last year, 6-6 would still have been a massive underachievement. We had the talent last year to win 8 or 9 game with good coaching.

Compare that to this year, we have hardly any offensive talent at all and the defensive talent is still mediocre, although it is better coached.

If you are trying to compare Dooley Season Two (remember that his first was "Season Zero") to Jones Season One, there is a world of difference in a talent perspective.

Nice troll effort, but you didn't land the dismount very well.
 
#36
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VolFan4Life87 said:
It was his 3rd season and he had a ton of offensive talent. IMO the measuring stick was to beat UF and he did not. Now, if he had lost to UF and then beat UGA & USCe then he'd be our guy.
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The problem with Dooley to me was he was pretty much our Ron Zook/Mike Shula (albeit without the wins).

Even if he had pulled out an upset over UGA or SC last year, I still didn't think long term he was the guy.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The problem with Dooley to me was he was pretty much our Ron Zook/Mike Shula (albeit without the wins).

Even if he had pulled out an upset over UGA or SC last year, I still didn't think long term he was the guy.
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Somewhat disagree with one of the analogies: Zook's stay at UF left them pretty loaded with talent for when the next guy (Meyer) took over.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I don't understand. Outside of UGA and USC, this season has looked a hell of a lot like a Dooley season. I'm trying to be as optimistic as everyone else, but we're getting blown out. I know we're outmatched, but USC alone shouldn't buy Butch a pass. We better take down Vandy and UK easily if we don't win this Saturday.

Recruiting is going well, but didn't Dooley get praised for his recruiting early on, too? Doesn't every new coach come in and do pretty well on the recruiting trail? It's easy to sell a program on the rise up, as long as you start winning and start early. We better start winning soon.
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We play well at home and struggle on the road. This is the mark of a young team. The schedule actually works out favorably to have Vandy at home (this team needs all the help they can get) and KY on the road (the first SEC road win for CBJ). We need to get bowl eligible for the dozen or so extra practices, regardless the outcome of the bowl game.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Somewhat disagree with one of the analogies: Zook's stay at UF left them pretty loaded with talent for when the next guy (Meyer) took over.
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True, but I meant it more in the sense that he wasn't our guy long term and a guy our fanbase never really embraced for the most part.
 
#40
#40
If Dooley had beaten SCAR last yr, he'd still be here. No way Hart would have paid that ridiculous buyout, given that scenario.
 
#41
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6-6 would have bought Doofus another year, regardless who the Ws were against.

IMO 6-6 with last year's team would have inexcusable, unfortunately the UTAD would not have let me make the call.

CBJ is hamstrung at the skill positions relative to Doofus, so IMO he gets more wiggle room. But after that abomination Saturday he has got a lot of ground to make up. He has got to win 2 of the next 3 and after that massive quit-fest I don't know that he can.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
I don't understand. Outside of UGA and USC, this season has looked a hell of a lot like a Dooley season. I'm trying to be as optimistic as everyone else, but we're getting blown out. I know we're outmatched, but USC alone shouldn't buy Butch a pass. We better take down Vandy and UK easily if we don't win this Saturday.

Recruiting is going well, but didn't Dooley get praised for his recruiting early on, too? Doesn't every new coach come in and do pretty well on the recruiting trail? It's easy to sell a program on the rise up, as long as you start winning and start early. We better start winning soon.
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It is year one of a brand new rebuilding process. This doesn't build on top of Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley...it starts all over.

If Butch gets us to a bowl this year, he will have done it with a less talented roster than last year, with a harder schedule, in his first year as coach with his brand new systems.

If that doesn't impress you, then you are dense.
 
#43
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Ericvol2096 said:
It is year one of a brand new rebuilding process. This doesn't build on top of Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley...it starts all over.

If Butch gets us to a bowl this year, he will have done it with a less talented roster than last year, with a harder schedule, in his first year as coach with his brand new systems.

If that doesn't impress you, then you are dense.
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This. It starts all over with a new coach. Last year was the year to move the program forward, and our coach couldn't get it done. Now, we are back to rebuilding. Jones' recruiting has been much better even in Dooley's good year. Fans are upset because this is the 4th straight year of this, but that isn't Jones' fault. I said in August that 6-6 and a bowl game was a good year. Don't know why some think otherwise.
 
#44
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VolsSportsFan said:
The problem with Dooley to me was he was pretty much our Ron Zook/Mike Shula (albeit without the wins).

Even if he had pulled out an upset over UGA or SC last year, I still didn't think long term he was the guy.
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Not even close. Zook and Shula were miles ahead of the idiot in practically every way except for Zook's last name, and that's debatable.

Be thankful he lost the game, or this year we would likely be witnessing the worst coach at Tennessee in at least a century lead the team to their largest loss total in the team's entire history.
 
#45
#45
Dooley would also likely finish 4-8 or worse with this roster and schedule.
 
#47
#47
It's NEVER a good season when you lose to Vandy...And it's time for a change when you lose by >20 points...:salute:
 
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#48
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Jake Tate said:
Yes i would have considered it a decent year, especially if he capped it off with a top 5 recruiting class and some of the best talent in the nation.

But instead, he went 5-7, got blown out by Vandy, and had a top 25 class.

big difference in 14 4*s and 4 4*s...


Thanks, but try again to bash this coaching staff by comparing it to the Doolander.
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You think 6-6 in year #3 is good ? You've got seriously low expectations.
 
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#49
#49
Dude, really? That's the thing, Dooley COULD NOT win those type of games... No matter how close he always came. As much as I wanted Dooley to succeed it just wasn't going to happen.
 
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