If I was King of the BCS, we'd have a great tourney

[Brianchevy]

Well, the #1 and #2 seeds enjoyed their first round byes, now it time for the college football playoffs. (This would be if I was king of the BCS)

#1 Notre Dame v South Carolina
#2 Alabama v Florida State
#3 Oregon v Oklahoma/A&M winner
#4 Stanford v. #5 Georgia

That's taking the BCS rankings, pulling the winners into a bracket according to their BCS rankings. (more or less). #1 and #2 should always get a bye. I like the bracket and could only imagine the excitement if this "tournament" were to actually be played

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

Lou Holtz would love ND vs SC

 

[TrueOrange]

Well, the #1 and #2 seeds enjoyed their first round byes, now it time for the college football playoffs. (This would be if I was king of the BCS)

#1 Notre Dame v South Carolina
#2 Alabama v Florida State
#3 Oregon v Oklahoma/A&M winner
#4 Stanford v. #5 Georgia

That's taking the BCS rankings, pulling the winners into a bracket according to their BCS rankings. (more or less). #1 and #2 should always get a bye. I like the bracket and could only imagine the excitement if this "tournament" were to actually be played

No real reason a say South Carolina should be in there over Kansas State, unless you're setting it up that the results of the lower, non-championship bowl game results are "play-in games" for seeding...which is a kinda weird method, I'll be honest

 

[voltnh]

If I was Illustrious Potentate of the world, there would be no BCS and college football, specifically D-1 FBS, would have a 16 team playoff; 11 automatic bids for conference champions and 5 at large bids. Seems to work quite well for the other football divisions.

 

[rockytop9808]

Should be a six team playoff with #1 and #2 having byes.

That leaves the always-moaned-about importance of the regular season intact.

 

[voltnh]

Should be a six team playoff with #1 and #2 having byes.

That leaves the always-moaned-about importance of the regular season intact.

But you still have the BCS, a system that lacks internal and external validity. With the BCS, games are determined by polls and metrics rather than results on the field.

The worst decision in sports history is whenever the NCAA decided against administering a playoff for D1 football, which they do in all of the other divisions. Instead, we have post season exhibition games with no meaning other than the payout.

 

[rockytop9808]

But you still have the BCS, a system that lacks internal and external validity. With the BCS, games are determined by polls and metrics rather than results on the field.

The worst decision in sports history is whenever the NCAA decided against administering a playoff for D1 football, which they do in all of the other divisions. Instead, we have post season exhibition games with no meaning other than the payout.

You don't need the BCS to seed or select teams.

 

[voltnh]

You don't need the BCS to seed or select teams.

Still, you need more than 6 teams in a playoff to create an effective system. To have a true and fair method that is beyond reproach, each conference must be represented. If not, you may as well put them in FCS or D2, because you're saying they don't deserve to be in D1. We all know that there are teams in non-aq conferences that can compete (Boise St., TCU, etc.)

 

[Brianchevy]

If I was Illustrious Potentate of the world, there would be no BCS and college football, specifically D-1 FBS, would have a 16 team playoff; 11 automatic bids for conference champions and 5 at large bids. Seems to work quite well for the other football divisions.

I WOULD SUPPORT THIS PLAN 1000%. Love it.

I appoint voltnh as the Illustrious Potentate, go....

 

[GreveHaller]

no at large bids. period. I dont give a rats behind how tough a conference is, if you cant win your conference you have no business competing for a national champion.

 

[sweatpants]

I would like to see the future 4 team playoff system this year but only if the selection committee picked Notre Dame, Alabama, Oregon, and Texas A&M. A&M would have a shot at the title even though they are ranked 9th in the BCS standings.

 

[voltnh]

I WOULD SUPPORT THIS PLAN 1000%. Love it.

I appoint voltnh as the Illustrious Potentate, go....

Gracias. If it helps garner further support, there would also be a 6% flat tax for all wage earners, Obamacare would be repealed in its entirety, and other sweeping reforms upon my appointment as Illustrious Potentate.

 

[voltnh]

no at large bids. period. I dont give a rats behind how tough a conference is, if you cant win your conference you have no business competing for a national champion.

Independents necessitate at large bids. Schools (not just Notre Dame) should not be forced into a conference.

 

[Brianchevy]

Gracias. If it helps garner further support, there would also be a 6% flat tax for all wage earners, Obamacare would be repealed in its entirety, and other sweeping reforms upon my appointment as Illustrious Potentate.

ooopps. I disagree with all that, but VN is not the place for political debate.

Illustrious Potente Status now limited to Football only.

 

[GreveHaller]

Independents necessitate at large bids. Schools (not just Notre Dame) should be forced into a conference.

Independents are different than runner ups. If they choose not to be in a conference then that's their roll of the dice. Again, #2 or #3 in a conference isnt worthy of a national champion.

And no teams should not be "forced" into a conference. No conference should be forced to take someone they dont want to take. If they dont want them in their club then so be it.

 

[voltnh]

ooopps. I disagree with all that, but VN is not the place for political debate.

Illustrious Potente Status now limited to Football only.

Hey, #whyismypaycheckless is trending on Twitter for a reason

I guess I could waive the tax for those under $20k. I'm nothing if not reasonable.

 

[voltnh]

Independents are different than runner ups. If they choose not to be in a conference then that's their roll of the dice. Again, #2 or #3 in a conference isnt worthy of a national champion.

And no teams should not be "forced" into a conference. No conference should be forced to take someone they dont want to take. If they dont want them in their club then so be it.

Meant to say "should not be forced into a conference"

Oops.

 

[rockytop9808]

Still, you need more than 6 teams in a playoff to create an effective system. To have a true and fair method that is beyond reproach, each conference must be represented. If not, you may as well put them in FCS or D2, because you're saying they don't deserve to be in D1. We all know that there are teams in non-aq conferences that can compete (Boise St., TCU, etc.)

So you let a selection committee make the choices.

Guaranteeing certain conferences have bids is 90% of what's wrong with the current BCS. A selection committee choosing and seeding six teams will eliminate any unfairness as long as you use people with no ties or as little bias as possible to make selections. Keep the TV and bowl people out of the selections.

Year to year conference strength fluctuates, and it's much better to have the best teams playing for a title than a team rolling into the playoffs on the back of winning a conference of scrubs (like the ACC champs most years). By having a selection committee, that occasional random team that blows up (Boise, etc.) could realistically be chosen to play in the tournament. It all comes down to choosing the right committee- maybe use ADs from smaller divisions or people from the NFL. Try to remove the incentive from selecting certain teams that the current bowl system has.

 

[voltnh]

So you let a selection committee make the choices.

Guaranteeing certain conferences have bids is 90% of what's wrong with the current BCS. A selection committee choosing and seeding six teams will eliminate any unfairness as long as you use people with no ties or as little bias as possible to make selections. Keep the TV and bowl people out of the selections.

Year to year conference strength fluctuates, and it's much better to have the best teams playing for a title than a team rolling into the playoffs on the back of winning a conference of scrubs (like the ACC champs most years). By having a selection committee, that occasional random team that blows up (Boise, etc.) could realistically be chosen to play in the tournament. It all comes down to choosing the right committee- maybe use ADs from smaller divisions or people from the NFL. Try to remove the incentive from selecting certain teams that the current bowl system has.

I think we agree more on this than you realize. I'm fine with a selection committee. In fact, you'd have to have it. My plan (I'm sure I wasn't the first to think it up) is basically the NCAA Basketball tournament, where each conference has an automatic bid, scaled down proportionally to the current size of the FBS.

 

[rockytop9808]

I think we agree more on this than you realize. I'm fine with a selection committee. In fact, you'd have to have it. My plan (I'm sure I wasn't the first to think it up) is basically the NCAA Basketball tournament, where each conference has an automatic bid, scaled down proportionally to the current size of the FBS.

But why in the world would you want somebody who wins the MAC having a chance to win the title?

Sure, sometimes those teams do magic things, but most of the time they get shat on. The bids should go to the best teams as chosen by a committee of people without ties to the tournament, and the larger it gets, the more pointless it becomes.

 

[GreveHaller]

But why in the world would you want somebody who wins the MAC having a chance to win the title?
Sure, sometimes those teams do magic things, but most of the time they get shat on. The bids should go to the best teams as chosen by a committee of people without ties to the tournament, and the larger it gets, the more pointless it becomes.

Ask Butler

 

[rockytop9808]

Ask Butler

Basketball is a completely different animal than football. Completely different.

 

[strongtower]

no at large bids. period. I dont give a rats behind how tough a conference is, if you cant win your conference you have no business competing for a national champion.

yeah I agree, we saw that stuff happen with Nebraska in 2001 watching them get stomped by the Canes

 

[GreveHaller]

Basketball is a completely different animal than football. Completely different.

if "Basketball is a completely different animal than football", then why the hell are we trying to make it the same?? A multi team tourney with at larges is nothing more than march madness.

Take the BCS out of the picture and all you have is the FBS or Div 1 football. At that point all conferences are exactly the same. WAC is the same as the Big 10 is the same as the MAC is the same as the SEC, etc.... Sure the brand of fb is different but its no different than what is in the FCS.

Its simple - win your conference and you're in. Do what you need to do then take it to the next level. If that means Toledo goes instead of UT because we didnt win the SEC, so be it. We should have taken care of our business not worrying about what Toledo did or didnt do. They won their conf and earned the right to advance. We didnt.

If you want the national championship to be the best team then you only take the best teams. Being #2 in your conference isnt the best.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Still, you need more than 6 teams in a playoff to create an effective system. To have a true and fair method that is beyond reproach, each conference must be represented. If not, you may as well put them in FCS or D2, because you're saying they don't deserve to be in D1. We all know that there are teams in non-aq conferences that can compete (Boise St., TCU, etc.)

No you don't. See the last 8 Super Bowl champions as evidence of this. 2003 was the last time the best team in the NFL won the Super Bowl. The more teams you add to a playoff, the higher the odds go that an undeserving team will win the championship at the end.