If old Joe Milton shows up again—how long should Heupel leave him in the game for?

If Milton plays like old Joe Milton, at what point do you pull him if you’re Heupel?

  • During the 1st Q

    Votes: 29 8.4%

  • During the 2nd Q

    Votes: 92 26.6%

  • During the 3rd Q

    Votes: 70 20.2%

  • During the 4th Q

    Votes: 8 2.3%

  • Don’t pull Milton

    Votes: 147 42.5%
  • Total voters
    346
#2
#2
How many drops did he have? You give him back 4 of the 7-8 drops and he’s 25/33 and over 300 yards.

And I don’t want to hear the 90mph ball crap. These receivers practice on Jugs that throw the ball just as hard or harder than Joe ever could. Yes, he had some inaccurate balls but to compare him to JG is disrespectful.

Putting in a true freshman will not solve the problem. So over these stupid a* threads and fans.
 
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LordVOLdemort said:
How many drops did he have? You give him back 4 of the 7-8 drops and he’s 25/33 and over 300 yards.

And I don’t want to hear the 90mph ball crap. These receivers practice on Jugs that throw the ball just as hard or harder than Joe ever could. Yes, he had some inaccurate balls but to compare him to JG is disrespectful.

Putting in a true freshman will not solve the problem. So over these stupid a* threads and fans.
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Fair points but please factor in that none of those stats that make your point look better were downfield throws. None of them minus the few drops that occurred within the first 4 drives of the game. It’s misleading to pad those stats off WR screens
 
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LordVOLdemort said:
How many drops did he have? You give him back 4 of the 7-8 drops and he’s 25/33 and over 300 yards.

And I don’t want to hear the 90mph ball crap. These receivers practice on Jugs that throw the ball just as hard or harder than Joe ever could. Yes, he had some inaccurate balls but to compare him to JG is disrespectful.

Putting in a true freshman will not solve the problem. So over these stupid a* threads and fans.
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Yep. Nico is clearly the future. Barring injury to Milton, I don't think it's fair to throw him into the deep end of the schedule as a true freshman. Sure it happens in some instances, but I'd hope Milton could be serviceable and keep the job this year while Nico gets some seasoning. Of course, yesterday's game was one of those great opportunities to get a big lead and play guys like Nico, but we always seem to keep them too close for comfort so the youngsters don't get much of a chance. If Nico does start this year, it's a bad sign for the season.
 
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LordVOLdemort said:
How many drops did he have? You give him back 4 of the 7-8 drops and he’s 25/33 and over 300 yards.

And I don’t want to hear the 90mph ball crap. These receivers practice on Jugs that throw the ball just as hard or harder than Joe ever could. Yes, he had some inaccurate balls but to compare him to JG is disrespectful.

Putting in a true freshman will not solve the problem. So over these stupid a* threads and fans.
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This wasn’t on the receivers. A lot of those “drops” were behind receivers that allowed DBs to break up passes. There were only a couple of actual good throws that were dropped.
Milton is the problem. 100%.

Btw, if you don’t like these threads then stop reading them.
 
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madbamahater said:
Joe actually played pretty well yesterday. How many "over throws" did he throw? Most of the drops were catchable and the drops right in WR hands were unacceptable drops....
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Do you really believe that? You actually watched the game and thought Joe played well? Wow. That’s amazing
 
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Timing and familiarity is critical to a QB/WR connection and you can’t develop that in practice only in game situations. If I remember correctly, Hooker and his receivers took a few games in both seasons to really start clicking.
Switching to Nico just restarts that whole clock all over again.
Last night was concerning, and to be honest, almost worrisome. But I am not going to panic yet. 2021 and 2022 show that Heupel’s offense really doesn’t move into high gear until a few games get in the books.
We will know by this time next week
 
#14
#14
madbamahater said:
Joe didn't play badly, the whole offense was sluggish. Dropped passes and penalties kill drives. Joe's numbers were decent, most of all no turnovers by Joe...
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His passes were terrible. That’s what caused the offense to be sluggish. There was no rhythm with no passing game. His numbers came from only throwing in the flat and WRs and RBs making plays.
 
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jmcarr33 said:
Fair points but please factor in that none of those stats that make your point look better were downfield throws. None of them minus the few drops that occurred within the first 4 drives of the game. It’s misleading to pad those stats off WR screens
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This is my issue. Most of the stats came from bubble screens and WR YAC yards. Anything past the line of scrimmage was behind the receiver, over his head, or a bounce pass.

That being said, yes, there were a few balls that should have been caught and a few more that could have been caught. But overall the downfield passing game was very inaccurate.

We will not win many more games relying on the running game and bubble screens.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
His passes were terrible. That’s what caused the offense to be sluggish. There was no rhythm with no passing game. His numbers came from only throwing in the flat and WRs and RBs making plays.
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What particular throws were terrible? I do remember he was high to Squirrel White once early on and also threw a ball in the dirt, but that was under immense pressure because his offensive line did not block anybody on that play.

Wonder why they didn't attempt many down the field throws 🤔? 64% completion rate, 2 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD and ZERO turnovers is fairly strong...
 
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willinhf said:
This is my issue. Most of the stats came from bubble screens and WR YAC yards. Anything past the line of scrimmage was behind the receiver, over his head, or a bounce pass.

That being said, yes, there were a few balls that should have been caught and a few more that could have been caught. But overall the downfield passing game was very inaccurate.

We will not win many more games relying on the running game and bubble screens.
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If some of these short throws result in first downs and the running game is clicking, you can win any game this way. Just facts.
 
#18
#18
I have a feeling that practice didn't go well last week. If you don't practice like you're playing, you'll play like you practiced. JMO.
 
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#19
The whole team played very Vanilla yesterday.
The more time Joe has to throw the worse the accuracy.
FL is the next game see how it goes.
CJH & staff have a lot to work on this week and they will get it done.
I would have rather laid an egg against AP vs FL
Several dropped balls and you can fix focused.
 
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Saban won a national championship by pulling his QB in the middle of the game and putting in a freshman. Trevor Lawrence won a national title as a freshman. Nico is SUPPOSED to be closer to that caliber than he is to JG. And Heupel isn’t Butch Jones or Jeremy Pruitt… I’m not saying he should do it, but I’d be 100% comfortable with Nico getting his first playing time in the swamp.
 
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#21
#21
Lots of “cope” going on with Milton.

It wasn’t the receivers, it’s Milton. He kills the rhythm of the offense, if he can get it started in the first place. Last night, there never was a rhythm.

Can he get it together? Sure. Will he? I wouldn’t bet on it.

That gut level feeling is there, we all know what it is, though some will lie to themselves and everyone else. But they know ….
 
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The poor play goes for the whole team not just Milton. Dropped passes, o line giving up sacks, defense giving up big plays. Just sloppy overall game. Maybe the team just got too hyped after last game and though Austin Peay was just gonna roll over. Lots to clean up but I don't think there's any reason to panic yet.
 
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madbamahater said:
What particular throws were terrible? I do remember he was high to Squirrel White once early on and also threw a ball in the dirt, but that was under immense pressure because his offensive line did not block anybody on that play.

Wonder why they didn't attempt many down the field throws 🤔? 64% completion rate, 2 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD and ZERO turnovers is fairly strong...
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Keep hanging onto those stats man. They all came after we had to abandon the vertical passing game cause Joe can’t complete them.
I’m sure he will look better in the swamp
 
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I went third quarter with this caveat, if we are ahead, no change. If issues are not all his, no change.
The thing is, I don't think you will see the disjointed game plan seen last night this Saturday.
 
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