Im still not understanding the whole "we are too slow" slogan..

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UTVolWarrior98 said:
Ok, how about Jacques Smith out of Ooltewah, TN?? Wasn't he listed as a 4* recruit on every site? How about good ol Corey Miller? Wasn't he a HIGH 4* or 5* recruit coming out of HS? He was one of the top ends in the country! Theres 2 for ya...I can keep going if you really want? lol
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Im guessing you think recruiting services are never wrong? This whole argument is precisely why stars and rankings really dont mean much. I'd much rather have a 3 star kid that BJ feels great about than a 4 star kid just because he's a 4 star recruit.
 
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sjt18 said:
"Lack of speed" is also one of the more common excuses for coaches who don't get their players coached up to play their lanes and gap assignments.

Mizzou has played several slower D's this year.

Toledo is not faster than UT on D. They held Mizzou to 172 yds and a 3.66 yd avg.

The only team that allowed more rushing yardage was Murray St. UT allowed more than Vandy, Ark St, and Indiana.... none of whom have more talent or speed on D than UT.
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thats debatable. Id almost be willing to bet our front four is slower than those you've listed and probably the llinebackers too. Were probably stronger though which doesnt help if you cant get your hands on them.
 
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you will understand what is and isn't slow on the field when you watch guys run and play instead of 40 times from a track stance with track shoes on. Not pads, helmet, braces, tape, cleats, etc. If there is any clarification needed, ask the 4.5 guys that catch and tackle Neal and his 4.3.
And mizzou will have more defensive players drafted this year than we will in the next 2 combined, so lets stop acting like we are more talented.
 
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sjt18 said:
"Lack of speed" is also one of the more common excuses for coaches who don't get their players coached up to play their lanes and gap assignments.

Mizzou has played several slower D's this year.

Toledo is not faster than UT on D. They held Mizzou to 172 yds and a 3.66 yd avg.

The only team that allowed more rushing yardage was Murray St. UT allowed more than Vandy, Ark St, and Indiana.... none of whom have more talent or speed on D than UT.
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Ouch! There must be some other problem then.
 
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Horrible coaching and a bad atmosphere can ruin even the best recruits - while you cant make a silk purse from a sows ear, you can pin a silk purse on a pig - and thats what Dooley and Kiffin basically did to the recruits we did get.
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
Ok people, so it seems to be a consensus that our D and some of our Offense are too slow and that's a huge reason why we get pummeled against good, solid opponents. So, tell me..why is Mizzou soooooo fast. They recruit 3, 4 and 5 star talent just like we have the past 5 years. Hell, I don't even know if they have had a top 10 recruiting class in years! Why are they sooooo fast and we soooooo slow?

Byron Moore....4 star Juco top DB that chose us over Miami, FL. Would he have been fast if he went to Miami? Why is he so slow? Justin Coleman....5 star stud recruit when came in. Why is he getting blazed so badly on every freakin play?! Brian Randolph...another 4 star recruit. Slow! Why are these guys slow while every other team's players are sooooo fast? I don't get it lol[/QUOTe

It is always the benchmark that the coaches set.....maybe it needs to be moved up!
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Well, if all of those players were that slow then they shouldn't be at Tennessee to begin with! A 3* recruit vs another 3* recruit....how much slower can one be from the other? lol Why is OUR players slow and not THEIRS?
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Rivals says Coleman's 40 is 4.4 - that's not slow. I think he's just not all there in football IQ.
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If he's a 4.4 guy, then I'd compare him to a blind and deaf greyhound at the dog track. Gets off to a horrible start, but really pours it on when the guy is 40 yards past him.
 
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You'll notice we played our best games against UGA and Scar, both of which dont rely completely on speed to run their offense. We are good enough to play teams that opt to run at us more than away from us. Oregon and Bama are on a totally different talent level than we are and Missouri was just much faster than we were. It really isnt hard to see. JMO
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
Well, if all of those players were that slow then they shouldn't be at Tennessee to begin with! A 3* recruit vs another 3* recruit....how much slower can one be from the other? lol Why is OUR players slow and not THEIRS?
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They're experienced in their scheme. We are still learning ours. And from what I could gather from the previous regime, they did little to no development of their own.

You might as well almost assume they are trying to develop players on the fly who should be further along than they are to begin with due to past coaching.
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
Well, if all of those players were that slow then they shouldn't be at Tennessee to begin with! A 3* recruit vs another 3* recruit....how much slower can one be from the other? lol Why is OUR players slow and not THEIRS?
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Like already mentioned there are a couple different kinds of slow. Actual onfield speed with cutting etc and slow reaction time to what is coming at you. The first comes naturally and the second is the product of reps within a system and experience. Unfortunately we have issues with both diagnosing then getting to the play and at some position we are just slow as hell. The former will be fixed with experience in the defensive system and the latter will be fixed with better recruiting.

And to your specific point blame Dooley and the wad of defensive staff changes, defensive philosophy changes, etc.
 
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Well put DaddyChad! Being a spoiled rotten UT alum (97-2001) can be a bad thing sometimes. I assume that just because these players play for UT they are going to be pretty good lol
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
Well put DaddyChad! Being a spoiled rotten UT alum (97-2001) can be a bad thing sometimes. I assume that just because these players play for UT they are going to be pretty good lol
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Now, should they have played better vs Missouri? Absolutely. It was hard to watch. I'd say if we played more up to our potential we hold them to 17-21 points.

A mixture of they speed and development ontributed to that butt kicking. We can't just throw it all in one basket. :)
 
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We are slow across the board on D. Not just physical speed either. We are slow with reactions as well. Did you see how it looked like Cory Miller was running in quick sand compared to Mauk? I have a feeling that Jones is looking at tweeners for the line. I think you are done seeing 280+ on the DL. You can have just as much success with 270-280 pounders who can run. Yeah you might have to have a very good two deep to manage this. Although you are going to be much more disruptive than we currently are. I wouldn't be shocked if within the next two years our avg DT is 270 and the ends at 260.
 
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You can be a 4 or 5 star, but still not have speed. You can't teach speed, and we need some desperately.
 
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sjt18 said:
"Lack of speed" is also one of the more common excuses for coaches who don't get their players coached up to play their lanes and gap assignments.

Mizzou has played several slower D's this year.

Toledo is not faster than UT on D. They held Mizzou to 172 yds and a 3.66 yd avg.

The only team that allowed more rushing yardage was Murray St. UT allowed more than Vandy, Ark St, and Indiana.... none of whom have more talent or speed on D than UT.
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Hard to argue against that.
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
My bad..thought VA like Brent Vinson was. Still, he was a top 10 DB recruit coming out of HS.
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Keep in mind, its mainly a numbers game as well. Because of attrition, etc., we are having to play guys like Toney, Swafford, and Giun, like alot.
 
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