In Obama's march to socialism who's the next target.

[gsvol]

(I really think it should more properly called 'international fascism' than socialism.)

Let's see, we have so far; financial institutions, auto makers, health care and energy companies.

Next up could be food supply with effectivly banning most commercial fishing, the anti-salt measure is just a diversion and socialist talking point, along with Michelle's drive against obesity, the real target is control of food supply, historically a top socialist target.

What better target than right at the basics, the American farmer.

There is no question that farmers have a unique partnership with their cooperatives. That is why it is disconcerting to see the Department of Justice questioning the relevance of the Capper-Volstead Act.

When Americans are struggling to keep their jobs and pay their bills, it makes no sense to target areas of the U.S. economy that continue to work well for both producers and consumers. Today, roughly 3,000 farmer cooperatives employ more than 180,000 people. They supply much of America's food. And they help every sector of the industry, from big-time growers to small organic farmers who need to band together to survive.

With cooperatives possibly under attack from Washington, the people who understand and appreciate their value must rally around them. Throughout 2010, the Departments of Justice and Agriculture are holding joint workshops on competition in the farm industry. A meeting in Iowa this month will focus on seeds. Future meetings will take place in Alabama (on poultry), Wisconsin (dairy), Colorado (livestock), and Washington, D.C. (consumer prices).
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For generations, farmers and ranchers have benefited from cooperatives - and so have all Americans, who enjoy more food security than anybody else in the world. How would agriculture and rural communities fare without cooperatives? If they vanished, what would replace them?

Another take on the same topic;

Federal regulators launch probe of big agriculture.

The first joint workshops on agriculture are expected to give strong indication of where the Obama administration stands on consolidation in agriculture.
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Administration officials said the meeting Friday in the Des Moines suburb of Ankeny will give antitrust attorneys and farm regulators their first chance to work side-by-side and examine the concentration of power in rural America. The Iowa meeting will be followed by four other gatherings held later in the year.
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A newly invigorated antitrust team in Washington is behind the hearings.
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The series of workshops will run through December, looking at the seed, dairy, poultry, beef and crop industries. At issue will be the practices of industrial agriculture's biggest players, such as grain processors Archer Daniels Midland Co. and Cargill Inc., meat companies Tyson Foods Inc. and JBS SA and biotech seed firms Monsanto Co. and DuPont.
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The American Meat Institute, which represents meat processors, filed testimony for the hearings, arguing that the companies have gotten so big in large part because of government regulation.

Animal rights and environmental groups have had way too much influence on those regulations!!!

"We're from the government and here to help you."

Pardon me if I meet this new initiative by Obama and Holder with a high degree of skepticism.

More on Holder:

During his confirmation last year, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. failed to notify the Senate that he had signed several briefs urging courts to reject President George W. Bush’s claim that he had the power to imprison an American citizen as an “enemy combatant,” the Justice Department acknowledged Thursday.

 

[VolInMn]

How do you manage to sleep at night? Aren't you afraid the government is going to come and carry you away because of your views?

 

[gsvol]

How do you manage to sleep at night? Aren't you afraid the government is going to come and carry you away because of your views?

No.

I don't have the words (at least I can't use them here for fear of being banned), to convey my appreciation for your excellent, informed and knowledgeable input on the topic of food supply, agriculture and animal husbandry and the economies associated with them. Outstanding.

One good question deserves another, do you often have trouble standing or walking in a straight line??

(I ask because your dizzy headed remarks lead me to believe you may be equilibrium challenged.)

In another bold fascistic move by Obama done quietly is the banning of American off shore drilling for the next three years.

Another question; in light of your obvious devotion to 'Il Stupor Mundi,' are you also a dues paying member ot peta??

 

[kev20]

Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8

 

[VolInMn]

I, for one, am shocked.....shocked, I say, that you would link to a right wing opinion piece that coins the phrase "new three-year ban", then links to an article that says no such thing.

Shocked.

 

[gsvol]

I, for one, am shocked.....shocked, I say, that you would link to a right wing opinion piece that coins the phrase "new three-year ban", then links to an article that says no such thing.

Shocked.

In your haste to defend Obama you're in deep denial.

You must have majored in plausable deniability?

From the link:

Salazar said Interior’s next five-year offshore leasing plan will run from 2012-2017, rather than upending the current 2007-2012 program.
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A federal appeals court last year found that Interior botched a key environmental analysis when crafting the 2007-2012 plan and ordered a revised study.

In plain English that means we won't be drilling as long as Obama is in the white house.

You want to bet $100 there is any American off shore drilling while Barry is at the helm??

Obama administration to support offshore drilling.

President Obama has elected to underwrite the cost of offshore drilling – in Brazil – with funds from the U.S. Treasury.

So much for working to create energy independence.

The insane ethanol mandates should also be repealed immediately.




Barack Hussein Obama
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,"

I guess we shouldn't eat all we want since Michelle says that creates a national obesity crisis?

If Obama holds true to form then we'll be like Zimbabwe and South Africa who used to be major food exporters but are now net food importers, yep, no doubt Obama would like to see the USA follow suit.


What do you think of more intrusion into food supply by the federal government led by obama's socialist wonks??

 

[VolInMn]

Honestly, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, I believe you're delusional.

Oh, and it may come as a shock to you that doctors would recommend you not "eat as much as you want" as well. Damned socialist...err....communist...err...fascist doctors.

 

[MG1968]

Honestly, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, I believe you're delusional.

Oh, and it may come as a shock to you that doctors would recommend you not "eat as much as you want" as well. Damned socialist...err....communist...err...fascist doctors.

how about responding to the argument rather than hurling personal insults?

your defense of Obama consists almost entirely of attacking the messenger.

 

[VolInMn]

Dude, there are some things that don't even warrant a response. Manufactured outrage is one of those things.

Michelle Obama is concerned about obesity. Oh booga, booga, booga! MICHELLE OBAMA IS TRYING TO TELL ME HOW MUCH I CAN EAT! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! SOON OUR DAILY FOOD CONSUMPTION WILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE GUB'MENT!

Seriously.

 

[MG1968]

Dude, there are some things that don't even warrant a response. Manufactured outrage is one of those things.

Michelle Obama is concerned about obesity. Oh booga, booga, booga! MICHELLE OBAMA IS TRYING TO TELL ME HOW MUCH I CAN EAT! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! SOON OUR DAILY FOOD CONSUMPTION WILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE GUB'MENT!

Seriously.

so you don't think the Obama administration cutting off oil exploration isn't a big deal?

you can trot out the convenient excuse about all the land the oil companies can explore, but if they're not exploring that land, there are reasons. There's no oil there or there's not enough oil, or the oil that's there isn't cost effective to extract, even at 80+ dollars/barrel.

however, if you want to play your stupid game of asinine strawman arguments, go right ahead. There's a reason why leftards eventually stop posting here and that's because their lack of intellectual honesty prevents them from engaging in actual, civil debate, and once they realize that places like Kos and Huffpo provide them a better haven for their idiocy, they leave.

 

[bam15]

so you don't think the Obama administration cutting off oil exploration isn't a big deal?

you can trot out the convenient excuse about all the land the oil companies can explore, but if they're not exploring that land, there are reasons. There's no oil there or there's not enough oil, or the oil that's there isn't cost effective to extract, even at 80+ dollars/barrel.

however, if you want to play your stupid game of asinine strawman arguments, go right ahead. There's a reason why leftards eventually stop posting here and that's because their lack of intellectual honesty prevents them from engaging in actual, civil debate, and once they realize that places like Kos and Huffpo provide them a better haven for their idiocy, they leave.

I continue to post. :good!:

 

[paul1454]

I continue to post. :good!:

You are different. We still have a lot of hope for you. I imagine in a few years you will have shifted a little more towards fiscal conservatism.
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[bam15]

You are different. We still have a lot of hope for you. I imagine in a few years you will have shifted a little more towards fiscal conservatism.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

I'm pretty devout with my views, considering 99% of the people around me think Democrats are out to destroy the world.

But that's besides the fact, that a disproportionate amount of high-school seniors have no interest in economics or politics, I find it unfortunate.

I enjoy your posts, you make a lot of since, but for now, Keynes and Krugman is my guide. :good!:

 

[VolInMn]

There's a reason why leftards eventually stop posting here ....

What was it you said about name calling? Oh, that's right....it's only bad when someone else does it.

 

[MG1968]

What was it you said about name calling? Oh, that's right....it's only bad when someone else does it.

if you're implying that the shoe fits, don't let the door hit you on the way out

 

[gsvol]

how about responding to the argument rather than hurling personal insults?

your defense of Obama consists almost entirely of attacking the messenger.

Duh, he has no arguement?

He does do a good job of obfuscating and degenerating the discussion from topical disussions into inane piss constests. (as is way too often the case of complainers, either as to the length or the focus of any posts.)

The purpose of this thread is to perhaps shed some light onto the plight of the American farmer who is under attack as never before.

FDR made and effort to eliminate the American small farmer and replace him with cooperatives as did his hero Stalin in Russia by eliminating by force of arms all the small farmers, FDR was limited in America by the fact at our farmers were armed as uncle Joe's kulaks were not.

Today we are beset by a new adversary, the NGOs.

Who funds the NGOs?? The mega wealthy who took their assets out of public scrutiny and tax burdens by forming tax exempt foundations, while FDR was taxing the working people to death to be the future funding of such grougs as world wildlife fund and many many others.

A couple of these numerous NGOs are Farm Sanctuary and Waterkeeper Alliance.

Do you think these two would receive a great deal of funds from muslim assests who consider pork unclean??

FS is controlled by a couple of acid heads who used to sell hot dogs at dead concerts, WA is headed by a scion of the Kennedy clan who got into it by being a recovering herion addict.

I ask, is this the kind of people we need to be forming agriculture policy??

Thanks for pointing out the shortcomings of volmn's pointless inane posts.

I continue to post. :good!:

Why? You don't read my post, why would you even have the faintest idea about what you are posting about??

Stupid is as stupid does.

I'm pretty devout with my views, considering 99% of the people around me think Democrats are out to destroy the world.

But that's besides the fact, that a disproportionate amount of high-school seniors have no interest in economics or politics, I find it unfortunate.

I enjoy your posts, you make a lot of since, but for now, Keynes and Krugman is my guide. :good!:

Have you ever read Tragedy and Hope by Quigley?

 

[gsvol]

Honestly, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, I believe you're delusional.

Oh, and it may come as a shock to you that doctors would recommend you not "eat as much as you want" as well. Damned socialist...err....communist...err...fascist doctors.

Dude, there are some things that don't even warrant a response. Manufactured outrage is one of those things.

Michelle Obama is concerned about obesity. Oh booga, booga, booga! MICHELLE OBAMA IS TRYING TO TELL ME HOW MUCH I CAN EAT! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! SOON OUR DAILY FOOD CONSUMPTION WILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE GUB'MENT!

Seriously.

You are outraged????

Otherwise, why did you even respond?????

 

[Snakes on a Wii]

This is huge groundbreaking news gsvol. The next thing to go will be the tinfoil hats. Then it's one step away from 1984.

 

[gsvol]

This is huge groundbreaking news gsvol. The next thing to go will be the tinfoil hats. Then it's one step away from 1984.

The only tin foil hat is your dunce hat you should wear as you attempt to deride others who are far more knowledgeable than yourself on most every topic, particularly this one, probaly the only groundbreaking you have ever done is peeing on a flat rock, congratulations!

Orwell was speaking of the Fabian Society, the reason he called it 1984 was to commemorate the hundredth year of the founding of that organization, the real target year was 2000 and he seems to be right if you consider the events of the past ten or twenty years.

Tragedy and Hope, Quigley 1967, page 866:

But, in general, his freedom and choice will be controlled within very narrow alternatives by the fact that he will be numbered from birth and followed, as a number, through his educational training, his required military or other public service, his tax contributions, his health and medical requirements, and his final retirement and death benefits.

During William (aka Slick Willy) Jefferson Clinton's first inaugural address he thanked his many mentors who had helped him achieve such political success but the only one he mentioned by name was Carrol Quigley.

Another book on the topic you brought up is H G Well's, Open Conspiriacy.

When Wells said that collectivism was his religion, he was serious.

Like many collectivists, he felt that traditional religion is a barrier to the acceptance of state power. It is a competitor for man’s loyalties. Collectivists see religion as a device by which the clerics keep the downtrodden masses content by offering a vision of something better in the next world. If your goal is to bring about change, contentment is not what you want. You want discontentment. That’s why Marx called religion the opiate of the masses.

Lest we not become to focused on socialist talking points, an alternative solution.

 

[Snakes on a Wii]

You're right, soon the man's gonna be implanting mind control chips in our brains!

They started with the fluorine in the drinking water, now they're telling us obesity is bad, next thing you know they're gonna start telling us not to drive too fast and then it'll be one step away from full blown socialism.

 

[VolInMn]

1. Print and save this thread
2. Set alarm for this time 3 years from now
3. Retrieve and read printed copy of thread
4. Realize your life isn't much different than it is today
5. Profit!

 

[Snakes on a Wii]

1. Print and save this thread
2. Set alarm for this time 3 years from now
3. Retrieve and read printed copy of thread
4. Realize your life isn't much different than it is today
5. Profit!

You're just another rube for the man VolInMn, we won't take your arrogant dismissals here. We've seen the truth!

 

[MG1968]

1. Print and save this thread
2. Set alarm for this time 3 years from now
3. Retrieve and read printed copy of thread
4. Realize your life isn't much different than it is today
5. Profit!

You're just another rube for the man VolInMn, we won't take your arrogant dismissals here. We've seen the truth!

you two should get a room

 

[droski]

1. Print and save this thread
2. Set alarm for this time 3 years from now
3. Retrieve and read printed copy of thread
4. Realize your life isn't much different than it is today
5. Profit!

if unemployment is still at 10% 3 years from now obama will go down as the worst president in american history.

 

[Snakes on a Wii]

you two should get a room

It's cute because he thinks I like obama