In Some Ways, It's Like the BCS Never Went Away

[casual-observer]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat the brakes off Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat the brakes off Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?
- can TA&M upset Texas and prove they have not played anyone all year?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

This was always why the "but it will devalue the regular season" arguments were always dumb. The ratio of "higher stakes because of a 12 team playoff" game to "lower stakes" games is probably 20:1

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

For the A&M one, wouldn’t we need them to lose to Texas so they don’t jump us?

 

[Golfprovol]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat the brakes off Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?
- can TA&M upset Texas and prove they have not played anyone all year?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

STOP WITH THE A&M narrative! We need Texas to beat them bad. If A&M wins, they will jump us and Texas will not drop below us! At that point US and OLE MISS would be left out.

 

[wtmvol]

For the A&M one, wouldn’t we need them to lose to Texas so they don’t jump us?

Yep. If you trust the committee to drop Texas below us with a 2nd loss, you have more faith in them than I do. Just wait, they'll say "well Texas and Tennessee had 6 common opponents, so we'll just look at those... and well lookie here...Texas beat Arkansas and Tennessee lost to them. That's the only difference. There you go..." They'll exclude the Alabama win on our resume, or say that Texas went on the road and beat a top 10 Michigan team, and so that's just as good as beating Alabama. Or they'll just say it was their football judgment that Texas is better than Tennessee. I don't know how they'll justify it, but I'm about 99% sure they will.

So I have to root for Texas to knock out other teams.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

OSU should beat them just to prove a point
USC could beat ND depends on where played
Army has a bye week depends on where played but probably will not.
Georgia Tech capable but may not.
Penn State should be on cruise control but upsets happen.
Florida at home against Ole Miss should be a game.

The committee is going to committee not stacked in the SEC's favor and don't expect any help from the SEC representative (ARK) No way they will want Tennessee to get an edge on them but would support them over Miss and the two Tx Teams. Recruiting Areas.
The Big 10 has the advantage on the committee.
If the previous committee can put in Alabama over FSU last year in a 4 team playoff they can do it again with BYU Boise State or Indiana. Again they also dropped GA which was an elimination game. I would favor a Texas vs Ole Miss Championship game or Alabama vs either.
Still don't see a 3 loss team making it regardless of championships and the Championship Games are like an elimination game and 1st round of the CFP. So I don't see any loser's making it.

 

[Jax_Vol]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat the brakes off Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

Among that group, the score I might check...

If the 'Gods of Football' somehow bounce the ball around such that Sunbelt Billy upset the King Kiffin.......

Such an event would upend Father's Day as the most confusing event of 2024 in Gainesville

 

[volbound1700]

BCS was a fair system until the experts whined about it in 2003 when USC was left out and gutted it. The SOS metrics were spot on in leaving USC out.

BCS took on a more "human" element after it and that created the bias again. BCS after 2003 was just a different system and was more poll driven.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Just remember at 11-0 we almost did not make the first BCS championship.
Miami beat UCLA and Texas A&M beat Kansas in the Conference Championship
FSU was chosen over Ohio State to play us.

Anything can happen but you have to watch the blind spots.

Does politics of the NCAA and Committee come into play as well, sure it does. ESPN, the NCAA, Media and other unknown factors in the background.

Tennessee's lawsuit and calling out the NCAA with the lawsuit is background noise that could play as a factor as well. Probably a 50/50 break. Rattling the bushes. Conferences and support is as well.

First year of an experiment of which they will relook. Did we not go from a 8 or 10 team CFP to a 12 of which a 14 team playoff was proposed and they settled on a 12?

Ridiculous as it sounds the Conference Championships are the first elimination game which benefits Notre Dame only. Not a way to run a Playoff. Another unfair advantage to the Gold Dome boys.

It is all about the $$$$$ and not about the sport.

 

[EZE]

It is all about the $$$$$ and not about the sport.

Nailed it.

 

[Oldvoldad]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat the brakes off Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

Yep

 

[Golfprovol]

Just remember at 11-0 we almost did not make the first BCS championship.
Miami beat UCLA and Texas A&M beat Kansas in the Conference Championship
FSU was chosen over Ohio State to play us.

Anything can happen but you have to watch the blind spots.

Does politics of the NCAA and Committee come into play as well, sure it does. ESPN, the NCAA, Media and other unknown factors in the background.

Tennessee's lawsuit and calling out the NCAA with the lawsuit is background noise that could play as a factor as well. Probably a 50/50 break. Rattling the bushes. Conferences and support is as well.

First year of an experiment of which they will relook. Did we not go from a 8 or 10 team CFP to a 12 of which a 14 team playoff was proposed and they settled on a 12?

Ridiculous as it sounds the Conference Championships are the first elimination game which benefits Notre Dame only. Not a way to run a Playoff. Another unfair advantage to the Gold Dome boys.

It is all about the $$$$$ and not about the sport.

How does it only benefit ND? What if Bama goes and loses and we get in because of that?

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

The BCS was mostly fine, aside from 03 and 04. Maybe 07 too.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I remember "back in the day" when the BCS was created, one thing I found interesting was how I suddenly found myself on any giving Saturday caring about and rooting for games that I might otherwise have not given a thought to.

Because the way the BCS worked: if so-and-so beats this other team then that drops the value of this other teams' wins which sets the computer model inverted and scales the inverted root of the regression statistics to pit the right two teams against each other for the granddaddy ball game.

I know no one wants to go back to those confusing days however, suddenly I find myself rooting for/caring about:

- Ohio State to beat the brakes off Indiana
- Army to beat Notre Dame
- USC to beat Notre Dame
- Georgia Tech to upset another ranked team
- can Minnesota upset Penn State?
- can Florida upset Ole Miss?

Games that otherwise would not be interesting to me...are suddenly interesting again.

IMO we are back to the pre BCS days where National Championships were decided by a group of people with little football experience.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Just remember at 11-0 we almost did not make the first BCS championship.
Miami beat UCLA and Texas A&M beat Kansas in the Conference Championship
FSU was chosen over Ohio State to play us.

Anything can happen but you have to watch the blind spots.

Does politics of the NCAA and Committee come into play as well, sure it does. ESPN, the NCAA, Media and other unknown factors in the background.

Tennessee's lawsuit and calling out the NCAA with the lawsuit is background noise that could play as a factor as well. Probably a 50/50 break. Rattling the bushes. Conferences and support is as well.

First year of an experiment of which they will relook. Did we not go from a 8 or 10 team CFP to a 12 of which a 14 team playoff was proposed and they settled on a 12?

Ridiculous as it sounds the Conference Championships are the first elimination game which benefits Notre Dame only. Not a way to run a Playoff. Another unfair advantage to the Gold Dome boys.

It is all about the $$$$$ and not about the sport.

We were number 1 going into the day in the BCS polls and would have stayed there as long as we won.

 

[VolnGermany]

I hate the whole damn thing cause it has me rooting for Florida.

Florida!!!

 

[VolnGermany]

We were number 1 going into the day in the BCS polls and would have stayed there as long as we won.

I remember there was some talk of both UCLA and Kansas State possibly jumping us if they won. Back then we didn’t know if that was possible, so if someone said it, hey, could be true!

 

[fossilfiction]

I hate the whole damn thing cause it has me rooting for Florida.

Florida!!!

Sir, you are not rooting for Florida. You are rooting for what is best for Tennessee. You don't have to like them winning, but you can enjoy what it means for Tennessee. Framing is everything.

 

[VolnGermany]

Sir, you are not rooting for Florida. You are rooting for what is best for Tennessee. You don't have to like them winning, but you can enjoy what it means for Tennessee. Framing is everything.

Same difference.

(Shhhhhh! Don’t tell anyone! That was a joke!)

 

[VOLfrombama]

The BCS was mostly fine, aside from 03 and 04. Maybe 07 too.

agreed. and at least the computer formula was set in stone and not some arbitrary, made up on the spot bs

 

[VOLfrombama]

I hate the whole damn thing cause it has me rooting for Florida.

Florida!!!

I look at is as I am cheering for Ole Piss to lose, not Florduh to win. They just happen to be doing something good while I celebrate (hopefully)

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

agreed. and at least the computer formula was set in stone and not some arbitrary, made up on the spot bs

Honestly the BCS being used to determine the Playoff would be a perfectly valid way to select teams. At this point you don’t have to worry about an undefeated team like Auburn in 04 getting left out so I think it would remove some controversy.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Honestly the BCS being used to determine the Playoff would be a perfectly valid way to select teams. At this point you don’t have to worry about an undefeated team like Auburn in 04 getting left out so I think it would remove some controversy.

If be fine with using that method. At least it would be fair and based on measurable evidence.

 

[Vol_in_NC_1999]

We were number 1 going into the day in the BCS polls and would have stayed there as long as we won.

Exactly, and FSU was already ranked ahead of Ohio St. going into the conference championship weekend. Was this the last time we beat a backup QB?

 

[Sudden Impact]

How does it only benefit ND? What if Bama goes and loses and we get in because of that?

Notre Dame is not in a conference for football. They do not have to play in a Conference and their regular season schedule is always questionable. Plus they lost to N Illinois which would put most out. 2 top 20 Teams, Texas A & M and Army. They did beat Louisville and Virginia and Navy No way to compare them to league/conference Teams and the scheduling that comes with it.

Other teams played in conferences and will have a conference championship to secure their bid but ND will receive an at large bid based on a weak schedule and a non alliance with a conference.
Simple enough logic. Add to it the historical reputation which should NOT be a factor of not getting into the playoff. Re read my original statement the Conference Championship game is a playoff game with elimination.