In State not considered better by this staff

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Crazy to see guys like
O.C. Brown - Yahoo! Sports
4 star O.C. Brown not getting an offer

and James Stone not getting the full court press.

This staff loves J Smith, but they are just looking to put together a #1 class. They do not care where someone is from.

Unlike the previous staff they are not going to put up with off the field nonsense and they will not be bringing talented flameouts in like Fulmer did (Banks, Morley etc.) but also unlike Fulmer they have no in state preference.

Do not get me wrong, Fulmer did recruit well nationally, but he had special love in his heart for the guys from the state. If Kiffin can make a class that is majority Florida, followed by Cali, followed by GA, followed by TN each year I think he would be happy as long as it was a top 5 class. I also think that may well be what it ends up looking like.
 
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Take a look at his offer list. Remove yourself from your computer to ponder it. Then return and delete your post.
 
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I heard OC Brown was terrible at UT's camp. His offer list definitely doesn't resemble that of a typical 4*. He is overrated IMO.
 
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This staff will take players from this state first if they are good enough. Case in point was Teague and Gordan from last year. They arent going to go after Stone or McAdoo or anyone like that just because they have "star" power. They feel good about their own evaluations.
 
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Read this on a govolsxtra article concerning the use of the helicopter. this sounds great

While Kiffin and Orgeron swooped in, much of the credit for the opportunities in Georgia goes to UT linebackers coach Lance Thompson, who grew up in Atlanta and coached for Georgia Tech for 11 years.

“He’s been in there for a long time and he knows a ton of people so his connections are unbelievable,” Kiffin said of Thompson. “There’s no way without his connections that we’d be able to pull off what we’re going to end up pulling off on Signing Day.”
 
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Oh man, my two posts on this thread got removed. Probably for the best. At least the guy's post mine were directed to got removed as well lol. If you don't think a player is any good than that's your opinion but to talk about a prospect's character behind a computer just to try and be funny w/o knowing anything about them is not only wrong, but cowardly (run-on sentence, I know). I digress.

This staff will recruit the best players regardless of home state. Kiffin's mindset is national just like when he was at USC. No different now. Think of how many Cali kids don't get recruited by USC. At the same time, try not to talk about TN's high school prospects like they're minced meat...
 
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Stone got trucked by J. Smith this year when they played, and some of the Defensive linemen at our camp should have been charged with Child abuse for what they did to him in camp. This staff is probably the best talent evaluators in the biz, and if they pull off a kid there is a valid reason. You won't keep your job very long if you sign kids just because they are in state or off someone elses evaluation. But, I think they are still giving Stone some love,he is the one that keeps talking about other schools! O.C.Brown will be a non-qualifier!!!!! GO VOLS!!!
 
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Don't even start with the in state crap.

OC Brown is garbage
We're going after Stone still, but we have better targets on our board.
We went after Maclin, but he had some deep connections between his dad and an LSU coach.
We went after Malone, and I don't remember what the deal was with him. Honestly though, I'd take our WRs over him
We had some interest in Brunetti, but he went where the system fit him better.

We aren't going to take kids just because they're from in state. We're going after the best, no matter where they're from.
 
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bburger991 said:
Don't even start with the in state crap.

OC Brown is garbage
We're going after Stone still, but we have better targets on our board.
We went after Maclin, but he had some deep connections between his dad and an LSU coach.
We went after Malone, and I don't remember what the deal was with him. Honestly though, I'd take our WRs over him
We had some interest in Brunetti, but he went where the system fit him better.

We aren't going to take kids just because they're from in state. We're going after the best, no matter where they're from.
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There's probably a better way to convey what you mean, without calling a kid trash.
 
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IPorange said:
There's probably a better way to convey what you mean, without calling a kid trash.
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This.

I also loved OC on the youtube clips, but I trust professional college coaches to make an informed decision on whether or not to pursue him rather than my "Wow! did you see him pull? He should be a 5*" nonsense. Stone may be overrated. I do remember him getting blown up at the camp.

Also, being a native Tennessean, if you can play to the standard, you can sign. If you cannot play, well, there is always Carson Newman, Tennessee Tech and Furman. No shame in that. We will take the players who can get it done.
 
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The staff knows what they are doing and they are correct with all their in-state evaluations. The talent level in-state just is not good.

There are some good individual players year to year but consistently the talent sucks. And you are always going to get "spin" from guys on here trying to hype up or overhype some of the in-state prospects.

I'm still a little baffled over all the hype surrounding James Stone. He struggled mightily at camp from what I saw. He is a guard all the way in college. No way is he a tackle. If the staff has backed off him some I can honestly say I'm not that surprised.
 
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It seems that we have moved up a bit on some guys. It now looks like we lead for Luc and Green and are in it with Georgia for James and Auburn for Cullen. Now it seems we are going to get a visit from Stripling. There is also talk about Thornton. Does this mean that we have moved on from Irvin? That we aren't so sure about Broussard, Harris, and Delvin Jones?
 
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Wow.

Judging from some of the responses it may not have been clear that I am in complete agreement with what Kiffin is doing.

If you do not think that a 4 star with SEC offers at a need position would have gotten a UT offer from Fulmer if he was in state I wonder how much you followed his time at UT.

No one can tell me Fulmer would not have been all over James Stone.

Also the paradigm has changed regarding guys in other states. After losing Garner you could write of GA kids unless there was a long time connection (Eric Berry) but now we are staffed with the best recruiters in the country.

Kiffin will have the best class in the country, and we will see some "decommits" beford NSD.
 
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bburger991 said:
Don't even start with the in state crap.

OC Brown is garbage
We're going after Stone still, but we have better targets on our board.
We went after Maclin, but he had some deep connections between his dad and an LSU coach.
We went after Malone, and I don't remember what the deal was with him. Honestly though, I'd take our WRs over him
We had some interest in Brunetti, but he went where the system fit him better.

We aren't going to take kids just because they're from in state. We're going after the best, no matter where they're from.
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Calling OC Brown garbage? Come on man, that's out of line.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Crazy to see guys like
O.C. Brown - Yahoo! Sports
4 star O.C. Brown not getting an offer

and James Stone not getting the full court press.

This staff loves J Smith, but they are just looking to put together a #1 class. They do not care where someone is from.

Unlike the previous staff they are not going to put up with off the field nonsense and they will not be bringing talented flameouts in like Fulmer did (Banks, Morley etc.) but also unlike Fulmer they have no in state preference.

Do not get me wrong, Fulmer did recruit well nationally, but he had special love in his heart for the guys from the state. If Kiffin can make a class that is majority Florida, followed by Cali, followed by GA, followed by TN each year I think he would be happy as long as it was a top 5 class. I also think that may well be what it ends up looking like.
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Huh... the biggest knock on Fulmer was that he didn't get the best players from this state (P. Willis, D. Hightower, R. Cobb, P. Turner...)
 
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orangeblood said:
It seems that we have moved up a bit on some guys. It now looks like we lead for Luc and Green and are in it with Georgia for James and Auburn for Cullen. Now it seems we are going to get a visit from Stripling. There is also talk about Thornton. Does this mean that we have moved on from Irvin? That we aren't so sure about Broussard, Harris, and Delvin Jones?
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Auburn has let off on Cullen, It is between UT and UTAH;however, Miami just offered him, so who knows, he will make 5 officials. Shon Coleman is the AU commit we are goin after at OT. Broussard wont make it academically and Harris might not. Jones I believe will remain a VOl. I would rather UT try to land Garrison Smith more than TJ Stripling, Im sure they are trying.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Huh... the biggest knock on Fulmer was that he didn't get the best players from this state (P. Willis, D. Hightower, R. Cobb, P. Turner...)
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I think he was more referrring to recruiting guys from the state that not many other big time schools recruited just because they were from the state. Fulmer in general "recruited" (not signed) more kids from Tennessee than Kiff. That being said, kiff will go hard after great prospects in Tennessee, and not hard if all at people he doesn't thjink will be able to play at a high level for the school.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Huh... the biggest knock on Fulmer was that he didn't get the best players from this state (P. Willis, D. Hightower, R. Cobb, P. Turner...)
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Fulmer's talent evaluations became questionable at best. Plus he always offered guys scholarships either as favors to someone that nobody else offered (Carson Anderson, Jermaine Kent), or to a local guy nobody else really recruited (Hawkins, Maples, Mathews) etc... It happened quite a lot.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Fulmer's talent evaluations became questionable at best. Plus he always offered guys scholarships either as favors to someone that nobody else offered (Carson Anderson, Jermaine Kent), or to a local guy nobody else really recruited (Hawkins, Maples, Mathews) etc... It happened quite a lot.
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but mixed in with guys like Rogan and Hughes
 
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Bad year for in state talent anyways, next year Kiff will be going much harder after some Tennessee kids.
 
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utvolpj said:
but mixed in with guys like Rogan and Hughes
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In the day and age of 85 scholarships you can't afford to waste a single scholarship. Period. Getting lucky with a player or two doesnt excuse the total body of work. That is why Fulmer's regime fell apart, the talent level fell apart and quality depth became non-existent.

I wouldn't call Rogan a player nobody wanted. Miami Fla offered the kid. They dont offer kids from Knoxville unless they think they are really good.
 
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