In the "hypocrisy knows no bounds...

[sjt18]

department".

Jay Carney has made a statement that Obama will not apologize for Hoffa or apparently for appearing at the same rally and being associated with his rhetoric.

Yes folks... this is the same guy who once lectured his opponents about civility and hate-filled, violent rhetoric.

LG or other Obama fans... do you still suggest he isn't as radical as conservatives think? Why can't he bring himself to at the very least condemn the language Hoffa used? Is it because Hoffa is saying what he wishes he could say or does he just lack the character to make a consistent stand?

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

lacks character. I am sure he is a pretty good dude to hang out with, but he is in way over his head

 

[KiffinKiller]

It's because he's a politician. Most who hold him on a pedestal will come to their senses.

 

[sjt18]

It's because he's a politician. Most who hold him on a pedestal will come to their senses.

Really? It is just politics?

No Tea Party leader/speaker that I am aware of has said anything NEAR this level of "vitriol". He and other libs have repeatedly accused them of poisoning political discourse and process.

If a TP leader said that unions should be "taken out" just before say... Palin spoke... would she have to apologize and distance herself from the "rhetoric"? You know she would... and would probably want to.

The big question here considering his past admonitions for "civil discourse" is why he won't simply say Hoffa was wrong and should apologize?

 

[KiffinKiller]

I'm not agreeing with it - all the backtracking and feigned outrage has me as cynical as Lewis Black.

 

[sjt18]

See KK. I have no problem with the rhetoric. I actually think it is healthy. Conservatives should run commercials with this threat to make unions even less popular and trusted than they are now.

I really appreciate when people put their real selves out there so we can make a real choice.

What I absolutely detest is hypocrisy and the aloof attitude Obama has any time he's questioned.

 

[KiffinKiller]

I see. I view most politicians that way.

 

[sjt18]

I see. I view most politicians that way.

I actually do too. I have more sympathy for "conservatives" because the press will not let them get away with it as easily... even the conservative press... which kind of answers why FNS might not be thrilled with Romney.

 

[KiffinKiller]

I have no sympathy for them - they made the choice to enter office - many of them sell their souls for cash. Nope - you'll find no sympathy here.

 

[gsvol]

 

[KiffinKiller]

Wait. In general, you don't support those first two quotes?

 

[sjt18]

I have no sympathy for them - they made the choice to enter office - many of them sell their souls for cash. Nope - you'll find no sympathy here.

Not sympathy in the sense of feeling sorry for them but sympathy in the sense that it is impulsive to take the side of those being treated unequally or unfairly.

 

[lawgator1]

Why should Obama apologize for something Hoffa said? Hoffa should apologize, I agree. But Obama didn't come on stage for about 20 minutes. I watched Carney's presser and he said Hoffa does not speak for him in clear distancing from the comment.

Hoffa was wrong to say it, I agree, but rather obviously illogical to blame this on Obama, imo.

 

[gsvol]

 

[KiffinKiller]

Why should Obama apologize for something Hoffa said? Hoffa should apologize, I agree. But Obama didn't come on stage for about 20 minutes. I watched Carney's presser and he said Hoffa does not speak for him in clear distancing from the comment.

Hoffa was wrong to say it, I agree, but rather obviously illogical to blame this on Obama, imo.

No one here is blaming Obama for Hoffa's words - they're criticizing him for being guilty by association without commenting on it.

 

[lawgator1]

No one here is blaming Obama for Hoffa's words - they're criticizing him for being guilty by association without commenting on it.

He's not going to do it himself, but his spokesperson clearly distanced Obama from it. About all you can realistically expect from a politician of any sort.

 

[gsvol]

ACLG needs help!

 

[MG1968]

listening to Hoffa speak makes me glad I'm not a member of the Teamsters. I'd quit and find a new line of work if I had to send money to that dirtbag.

 

[sjt18]

Why should Obama apologize for something Hoffa said? Hoffa should apologize, I agree. But Obama didn't come on stage for about 20 minutes. I watched Carney's presser and he said Hoffa does not speak for him in clear distancing from the comment.

Hoffa was wrong to say it, I agree, but rather obviously illogical to blame this on Obama, imo.

Wait. Aren't you one of the ones who has pretty quick to label the TP racists based on isolated and unproven accusations of anonomous attendees using racist slurs? Was it very long ago that you condemned Perry for attending an event with speakers whose views you considered extreme?

This was a joint effort to organize this rally. It was effectively a campaign event. It was intended to show Obama's unity with the labor movement generally and this union particularly. It is VERY MUCH incumbent on Obama to condemn what the guy said.

It may be "illogical" to blame what Hoffa said on Obama. It is NOT unreasonable to expect him to condemn the manner in which Hoffa worded his statements if not the substance of the statements. Remember this is a President who called down his opponents for "incivility" over MUCH less than this. This is a President who promised to unite people. He's made a big deal when the tables were turned about disagreeing agreeably.

He's a fraud and hypocrite... just face it.

 

[sjt18]

He's not going to do it himself, but his spokesperson clearly distanced Obama from it. About all you can realistically expect from a politician of any sort.

No he didn't. That may be what you wanted to hear but that's not what he said. In fact, the ABC reporter pressed the issue and Carney refused to go any further than to say that Hoffa speaks for himself. He particularly refused to publicly rebuke or disagree with Hoffa.