Indiana to Allow Citizens to Shoot Law Enforcement Officers

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Police officers in Indiana are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. It was signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March.

The first of its kind in the United States, the law was adopted after the state Supreme Court went too far in one of its rulings last year, according to supporters. The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call. The court ruled that there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.”

The National Rifle Association lobbied for the new law, arguing that the court decision had legalized police to commit unjustified entries.

Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police, which opposed the legislation, said the law could open the way for people who are under the influence or emotionally distressed to attack officers in their homes.

“It’s just a recipe for disaster,” Downs told Bloomberg. “It just puts a bounty on our heads.”
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Someone very close to me was stalked by a police officer. It started when he approached her outside of a bar. They talked and she never thought anything of it. He offered her a ride home but she turned him down. Then, he started showing up at her house (she lived by herself at the time). She assumes he followed her home that night. He would knock on the door and try to convince her to let him in the house - he claimed he wanted to check things out to make sure she was safe. He tried this a few times but she never let him in. Then, he'd show up in front of her house and sit there for hours - it happened every night for over a week.

She made numerous complaints to the police department, and they always would claim to look into it, but nothing happened. She eventually, went to work one day and didn't go back to her house until several months later when her lease was up - and just slept at a friend's house in the meantime.

Anyway, it was clear this cop had a screw loose, and if he ever tried to forcefully come into her house, I don't see any problem with her having the right to shoot at him.
 
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hm... in the case of SWAT-ting, how would this law play out?

on the one hand, LEO have reason to believe that forcible entry is necessary based on the call to 911.

on the other hand, the resident is startled awake by a perceived intruder.

either way I think the prank caller should be liable criminally and civilly.

but, would the indiana law protect the resident who shoots an LEO who forcibly enters based on the false information?
 
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If they unlawfully enter your home, then they are no longer law enforcing, imo. There should be no special provisions for an officer that is no longer following the law/rules.

I'm not educated on self-defense cases, but I still hope there's some clarification on who you can shoot, and that goes for officers/non-officers. Can you shoot anybody that unlawfully enters your home?
 
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golfballs said:
Someone very close to me was stalked by a police officer. It started when he approached her outside of a bar. They talked and she never thought anything of it. He offered her a ride home but she turned him down. Then, he started showing up at her house (she lived by herself at the time). She assumes he followed her home that night. He would knock on the door and try to convince her to let him in the house - he claimed he wanted to check things out to make sure she was safe. He tried this a few times but she never let him in. Then, he'd show up in front of her house and sit there for hours - it happened every night for over a week.

She made numerous complaints to the police department, and they always would claim to look into it, but nothing happened. She eventually, went to work one day and didn't go back to her house until several months later when her lease was up - and just slept at a friend's house in the meantime.

Anyway, it was clear this cop had a screw loose, and if he ever tried to forcefully come into her house, I don't see any problem with her having the right to shoot at him.
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Cbus?

Did she try to go to the next chain above the police dept?
 
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Weezy said:
If they unlawfully enter your home, then they are no longer law enforcing, imo. There should be no special provisions for an officer that is no longer following the law/rules.

I'm not educated on self-defense cases, but I still hope there's some clarification on who you can shoot, and that goes for officers/non-officers. Can you shoot anybody that unlawfully enters your home?
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Fine line
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Cbus?

Did she try to go to the next chain above the police dept?
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No, this was in North Carolina. She tried everything. The police department did a "formal investigation" that found no wrong doing. The guy was way out of his assigned area and it was in his off time, but he still purported to be on duty wanting to make sure she was ok.....
 
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golfballs said:
No, this was in North Carolina. She tried everything. The police department did a "formal investigation" that found no wrong doing. The guy was way out of his assigned area and it was in his off time, but he still purported to be on duty wanting to make sure she was ok.....
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Man, so the city council, state ag, state public safety director.......crap is shamefull and no one helped.
 
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golfballs said:
No, this was in North Carolina. She tried everything. The police department did a "formal investigation" that found no wrong doing. The guy was way out of his assigned area and it was in his off time, but he still purported to be on duty wanting to make sure she was ok.....
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it's a PD, what did you really expect?

and I agree with this new law
 
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Weezy said:
I'm not educated on self-defense cases, but I still hope there's some clarification on who you can shoot, and that goes for officers/non-officers. Can you shoot anybody that unlawfully enters your home?
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That varies greatly from state to state. In Castle Doctrine states there is a lot of protection provided to a shooter in their own home.

I've really never been a fan of "no knock" entry. From a purely tactical standpoint I "get it" intellectually but man...there's a LOT not to like about going to a person's home (that may in fact be totally innocent) and busting in dressed in black with masks on.

Then there's stuff like this to consider.
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Mississippi has had a rash of copy cats pulling people over and stealing, roughing up and even murder.
 
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