Interesting New York Times article

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For anyone like me who doesn't subscribe to the NYTimes since their fall from "newspaper-of-record" status:

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Tennessee​

The Kim Caldwell era is off to a roaring start. The Lady Vols held on for a two-point victory in the SEC-ACC Challenge against Florida State despite 38 points from Latson. Then, they left Knoxville for the first time this season and earned a highly entertaining win against Iowa in the inaugural Champions Classic at Barclays Center in New York.

Tennessee is making its stamp stylistically. Other teams may claim to play with pace and space, but no one is doing it to this extreme. The Lady Vols lead Division I in field-goal attempts, 3-point attempts, offensive rebounds and steals. Their full-court press speeds up opponents, and they are happy to run in the other direction off turnovers, maximizing their possession advantage by also attacking the offensive glass and shooting a high volume of 3s. Tennessee’s 10-player rotation — we’re talking full hockey-style line changes at the horn — means the Lady Vols are still sharp at the end of games while other teams wear down, which was how Tennessee closed out against the Hawkeyes on a 14-1 run, breaking open what had been a back-and-forth affair.

The fulcrum of it all is Talaysia Cooper, who mostly rode the bench as a freshman at South Carolina but has thrived as a redshirt sophomore in Caldwell’s run-and-gun system. Cooper’s defensive playmaking is key to the Volunteers’ defense — she opened the game against Iowa with a block on a 3-pointer and then closed it out with a block on Lucy Olsen in the paint — but she won that contest down the stretch in the pick-and-roll. The Hawkeyes couldn’t keep her out of the paint, and she got to her right hand on drives repeatedly.

Tennessee was an unknown heading into the season. This body of work is enough to put the Lady Vols in my top 25. They won’t truly be tested until they face Oklahoma and LSU to start 2025.
 
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Wait until CKC can stack some recruiting classes. They will be awesome. They won the Iowa game because of conditioning. There are better teams out there. I doubt there are many teams in better shape. When she can get better players who are in better shape, it’s going to something to be behold.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
For anyone like me who doesn't subscribe to the NYTimes since their fall from "newspaper-of-record" status:

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Tennessee​

The Kim Caldwell era is off to a roaring start. The Lady Vols held on for a two-point victory in the SEC-ACC Challenge against Florida State despite 38 points from Latson. Then, they left Knoxville for the first time this season and earned a highly entertaining win against Iowa in the inaugural Champions Classic at Barclays Center in New York.

Tennessee is making its stamp stylistically. Other teams may claim to play with pace and space, but no one is doing it to this extreme. The Lady Vols lead Division I in field-goal attempts, 3-point attempts, offensive rebounds and steals. Their full-court press speeds up opponents, and they are happy to run in the other direction off turnovers, maximizing their possession advantage by also attacking the offensive glass and shooting a high volume of 3s. Tennessee’s 10-player rotation — we’re talking full hockey-style line changes at the horn — means the Lady Vols are still sharp at the end of games while other teams wear down, which was how Tennessee closed out against the Hawkeyes on a 14-1 run, breaking open what had been a back-and-forth affair.

The fulcrum of it all is Talaysia Cooper, who mostly rode the bench as a freshman at South Carolina but has thrived as a redshirt sophomore in Caldwell’s run-and-gun system. Cooper’s defensive playmaking is key to the Volunteers’ defense — she opened the game against Iowa with a block on a 3-pointer and then closed it out with a block on Lucy Olsen in the paint — but she won that contest down the stretch in the pick-and-roll. The Hawkeyes couldn’t keep her out of the paint, and she got to her right hand on drives repeatedly.

Tennessee was an unknown heading into the season. This body of work is enough to put the Lady Vols in my top 25. They won’t truly be tested until they face Oklahoma and LSU to start 2025.
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BruisedOrange said:
For anyone like me who doesn't subscribe to the NYTimes since their fall from "newspaper-of-record" status:

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Tennessee​

The Kim Caldwell era is off to a roaring start. The Lady Vols held on for a two-point victory in the SEC-ACC Challenge against Florida State despite 38 points from Latson. Then, they left Knoxville for the first time this season and earned a highly entertaining win against Iowa in the inaugural Champions Classic at Barclays Center in New York.

Tennessee is making its stamp stylistically. Other teams may claim to play with pace and space, but no one is doing it to this extreme. The Lady Vols lead Division I in field-goal attempts, 3-point attempts, offensive rebounds and steals. Their full-court press speeds up opponents, and they are happy to run in the other direction off turnovers, maximizing their possession advantage by also attacking the offensive glass and shooting a high volume of 3s. Tennessee’s 10-player rotation — we’re talking full hockey-style line changes at the horn — means the Lady Vols are still sharp at the end of games while other teams wear down, which was how Tennessee closed out against the Hawkeyes on a 14-1 run, breaking open what had been a back-and-forth affair.

The fulcrum of it all is Talaysia Cooper, who mostly rode the bench as a freshman at South Carolina but has thrived as a redshirt sophomore in Caldwell’s run-and-gun system. Cooper’s defensive playmaking is key to the Volunteers’ defense — she opened the game against Iowa with a block on a 3-pointer and then closed it out with a block on Lucy Olsen in the paint — but she won that contest down the stretch in the pick-and-roll. The Hawkeyes couldn’t keep her out of the paint, and she got to her right hand on drives repeatedly.

Tennessee was an unknown heading into the season. This body of work is enough to put the Lady Vols in my top 25. They won’t truly be tested until they face Oklahoma and LSU to start 2025.
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Thank you very much!! The NYTimes is fading fast and other than articles such as this, I wouldn't put it in the outhouse.
 
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North Carolina Central ( Why did they agree to their schedule??) currently 0-10 have been outscored by 60+ many times and the closest loss was 11.

How can that level of beat down not effect the morale of young women, being hopelessly outclassed. Clemson, Georgia, LSU, NC , Florida State, Tn and they lost to Wofford by 30. How many thousands of dollars to play the power schools, and why would such universities schedule them?
 
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Orange-U-Glad said:
Wait until CKC can stack some recruiting classes. They will be awesome. They won the Iowa game because of conditioning. There are better teams out there. I doubt there are many teams in better shape. When she can get better players who are in better shape, it’s going to something to be behold.
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The style of play has a chance to beat most teams. Are their better rosters, sure. Our best 10 rotation have to compete with the other teams best 6-7. Stay close/ahead in the first half and around midway through the 3rd take over as teams fade away. Said it yesterday, this style will change the college game and even the WNBA over time. Just like 7 v 7 changed HS football, to college now even the pros. NFL teams now have those players who played 7 v 7 and the game evolved. The fast pace style much like the fast pace college football game will branch off to their programs (New Hampshire Mafia Coaches/Oklahoma Mike Leach Air Raid)…if her coaching tree takes off that’s more coaches learning it and implementing it.
 
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Majors said:
The style of play has a chance to beat most teams. Are their better rosters, sure. Our best 10 rotation have to compete with the other teams best 6-7. Stay close/ahead in the first half and around midway through the 3rd take over as teams fade away. Said it yesterday, this style will change the college game and even the WNBA over time. Just like 7 v 7 changed HS football, to college now even the pros. NFL teams now have those players who played 7 v 7 and the game evolved. The fast pace style much like the fast pace college football game will branch off to their programs (New Hampshire Mafia Coaches/Oklahoma Mike Leach Air Raid)…if her coaching tree takes off that’s more coaches learning it and implementing it.
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Whoa, whoa there Nelly!

Can’t we have a couple of years of continuity before we start branching out her base? 😉🧡
 
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chuckiepoo said:
I know that. Why must you always assume you are the most intelligent 🧠 in the room. You can be a larger ass than Darth… oh, wait…
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Hey, I get where you're coming from, Chuck, but I have to agree with Majors on this one. The reason assistants get offers to be head coaches is because the programs they are working for AS assistants are highly successful and the head coach is a good person who has unselfishly given ample credit to their staff. A good head coach WANTS to be successful enough to help their support staff grow their own careers.

My gut feeling about Caldwell is that she, because of the way it appears she was raised by excellent parents, would very much adhere to the old adage "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Yes, she's gathered an amazing staff that works great together and would likely be a force to reckon with for years to come if they remain a strong team, but they ALL have their own families and futures to consider and Kim, especially now, understands that when a terrific opportunity comes along sometimes ya just have to break some hearts.

It would hurt to lose any of out fantastic assistants, but dang. I sure as heck want other programs to look at them based on them obviously kicking @ss at Tennessee!

All that said, I also wouldn't be mad if they all stuck together for at least five years. 🤗'
 
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stllvf said:
North Carolina Central ( Why did they agree to their schedule??) currently 0-10 have been outscored by 60+ many times and the closest loss was 11.

How can that level of beat down not effect the morale of young women, being hopelessly outclassed. Clemson, Georgia, LSU, NC , Florida State, Tn and they lost to Wofford by 30. How many thousands of dollars to play the power schools, and why would such universities schedule them?
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Funding.
 
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lvocd said:
Hey, I get where you're coming from, Chuck, but I have to agree with Majors on this one. The reason assistants get offers to be head coaches is because the programs they are working for AS assistants are highly successful and the head coach is a good person who has unselfishly given ample credit to their staff. A good head coach WANTS to be successful enough to help their support staff grow their own careers.

My gut feeling about Caldwell is that she, because of the way it appears she was raised by excellent parents, would very much adhere to the old adage "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Yes, she's gathered an amazing staff that works great together and would likely be a force to reckon with for years to come if they remain a strong team, but they ALL have their own families and futures to consider and Kim, especially now, understands that when a terrific opportunity comes along sometimes ya just have to break some hearts.

It would hurt to lose any of out fantastic assistants, but dang. I sure as heck want other programs to look at them based on them obviously kicking @ss at Tennessee!

All that said, I also wouldn't be mad if they all stuck together for at least five years. 🤗'
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Yep. I definitely agree with the harbor analogy applied to coaching staffs and teams.

I think I was having a grumpy moment, or sensitive to losing Golesh following year 2022 of the Heupel Era.

🧘‍♂️
 
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dapeak said:


Funding.
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Bless her for hanging in there. It's tough, but she's doing important work in keeping that program afloat however she can.

I do hope, though, that the thumpings they've taken against those power conference teams WILL make them more competitive in the SWAC. I kinda feel like I want to find a way to support them now. 🥹
 
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Lucy said:
A lot of folks, including myself, dropped WAPO and/or WSJ and subscribed to NYT. Their death is greatly exaggerated. They will pick up LATimes refugees as well.
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That's fine if you like your "news" with a New York slant. Give me the KNS or better yet, Chattanooga Times FP.
 
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lvocd said:
All that said, I also wouldn't be mad if they all stuck together for at least five years.
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From your lips to God's ears. But I'd be very surprised if Coach Gabe isn't a head coach within 5 yrs. He's just too good.
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Funding.
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Saw this. Man bless her for sure. Hard, cold truth. Preseasons have just become agonizing endless beat downs that aren't good for anyone. I'd give anything if the LVs could just skip the next 5 games. The risk of injury and the wear and tear aren't worth it. For fans they're agonizing to sit thru, esp with a thousand whistles lengthening the games. I don't know how LSU fans do it for two months. But long as they do, the cupcake crushing will go on.
lvocd said:
Bless her for hanging in there. It's tough, but she's doing important work in keeping that program afloat however she can.

I do hope, though, that the thumpings they've taken against those power conference teams WILL make them more competitive in the SWAC. I kinda feel like I want to find a way to support them now. 🥹
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Again, bless her truth telling. But I actually no longer believe these games are good for anyone nor prepare anyone for anything later in the season. They'r public humiliation for one team (but a needed cash cow) and shameless stat padding for the other.
 
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stllvf said:
North Carolina Central ( Why did they agree to their schedule??) currently 0-10 have been outscored by 60+ many times and the closest loss was 11.

How can that level of beat down not effect the morale of young women, being hopelessly outclassed. Clemson, Georgia, LSU, NC , Florida State, Tn and they lost to Wofford by 30. How many thousands of dollars to play the power schools, and why would such universities schedule them?
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See: bold. 🤣

I always assume a) some schools just need anyone with a pulse to fill out a schedule (or they just love getting fat off cupcakes), and, b) kids get a four year athletic scholarship out of it anyway even if they lose every game. It's not ideal, but ...

Central Connecticut State U has a horrible record and regularly ends up in their bottom-feeder conference. But I've had the chance to talk to some parents (CCSU regularly plays Syracuse) and they have all said their kids just love the experience of getting to play D1. I would imagine for those kids who grew up loving the game, getting to play and travel to all kinds of places must be its own reward.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
That's fine if you like your "news" with a New York slant. Give me the KNS or better yet, Chattanooga Times FP.
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No one really wants fair or unbiased news anymore. Just want it slanted to their particular team. The vast mis and dis information we're awash in (thks social media) is terrifying.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
For anyone like me who doesn't subscribe to the NYTimes since their fall from "newspaper-of-record" status:

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Tennessee​

The Kim Caldwell era is off to a roaring start. The Lady Vols held on for a two-point victory in the SEC-ACC Challenge against Florida State despite 38 points from Latson. Then, they left Knoxville for the first time this season and earned a highly entertaining win against Iowa in the inaugural Champions Classic at Barclays Center in New York.

Tennessee is making its stamp stylistically. Other teams may claim to play with pace and space, but no one is doing it to this extreme. The Lady Vols lead Division I in field-goal attempts, 3-point attempts, offensive rebounds and steals. Their full-court press speeds up opponents, and they are happy to run in the other direction off turnovers, maximizing their possession advantage by also attacking the offensive glass and shooting a high volume of 3s. Tennessee’s 10-player rotation — we’re talking full hockey-style line changes at the horn — means the Lady Vols are still sharp at the end of games while other teams wear down, which was how Tennessee closed out against the Hawkeyes on a 14-1 run, breaking open what had been a back-and-forth affair.

The fulcrum of it all is Talaysia Cooper, who mostly rode the bench as a freshman at South Carolina but has thrived as a redshirt sophomore in Caldwell’s run-and-gun system. Cooper’s defensive playmaking is key to the Volunteers’ defense — she opened the game against Iowa with a block on a 3-pointer and then closed it out with a block on Lucy Olsen in the paint — but she won that contest down the stretch in the pick-and-roll. The Hawkeyes couldn’t keep her out of the paint, and she got to her right hand on drives repeatedly.

Tennessee was an unknown heading into the season. This body of work is enough to put the Lady Vols in my top 25. They won’t truly be tested until they face Oklahoma and LSU to start 2025.
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Thank you. Corrupt as possible. So, thanks for sharing when something real actually comes out of there.
 
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glv98 said:
From your lips to God's ears. But I'd be very surprised if Coach Gabe isn't a head coach within 5 yrs. He's just too good.

Saw this. Man bless her for sure. Hard, cold truth. Preseasons have just become agonizing endless beat downs that aren't good for anyone. I'd give anything if the LVs could just skip the next 5 games. The risk of injury and the wear and tear aren't worth it. For fans they're agonizing to sit thru, esp with a thousand whistles lengthening the games. I don't know how LSU fans do it for two months. But long as they do, the cupcake crushing will go on.

Again, bless her truth telling. But I actually no longer believe these games are good for anyone nor prepare anyone for anything later in the season. They'r public humiliation for one team (but a needed cash cow) and shameless stat padding for the other.
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There might be a teeny-tiny benefit in playing cupcakes in that a team gets to see and feel things working REALLY well for them in what is essentially a glorified run-through of drills and things they do in practice. It IS fun for players to see the ball go through the nets -- a lot. lol And every team, even the NCCs, will have a best player to check.

But really, besides just the funding aspect, I recall once one of the cupcakes who came into TBA saying that her players absolutely knew they were going to get crushed, but that having an opportunity to travel to Knoxville and play in Thompson-Boling Arena on a court named for Pat Summitt and in front of thousands instead of hundreds of fans, was the stuff of dreams for kids like hers. They'd gone to the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame and were SO excited to get to experience the atmosphere of big-time basketball.

I mean, if I were going to take a beating I reckon I'd rather be at Tennessee than anywhere else. 🤗
 
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