Interesting Study on Healthcare Reform

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A Disconnect on Health Care Overhaul - Capital Journal - WSJ

Not sure if you can open this if you don't subscribe but here's the gist and a few quotes:

The story is about polling results RE: Healthcare.

Basically, people want everyone covered but only if the rich and business pay for it.

People generally feel good about what they have but think others don't have good HC.

We want the proverbial "free lunch".

That’s the inescapable conclusion of a Quinnipiac University Poll released this morning that found Americans would be quite happy to let the rich and business pay for the whole package, but aren’t real thrilled about doing it themselves.
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That could be problematic because the vast majority of Americans think they already have a good deal with their current health care – and interestingly, those on Medicare and Medicaid are even happier than those with private insurance.

The reason why Americans have been supportive of the general idea of a health care overhaul is that they don’t think their friends and neighbors are as fortunate when it comes to their health care situation.
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I think this disconnect is quite telling and suggests we believe a problem exists that may not.

They think it would be a good thing if there was a government-run health care plan for those Americans who want it. But the vast majority would not trust their families to one if it existed and would stay with their private insurer.
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My favorite finding of the poll. It's okay for others but not for me.

And finally ---

Think of it this way: Almost three-quarters of Americans say they aren’t willing to pay more than the cost of a cheese pizza a week – with no extra toppings – to pay for health care reform.
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Never the less - those bozos on Capitol Hill will cram through some POS bill that won't solve a thing except raising the deficit. :crazy:
 
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it's pure insanity to think that this govt could either create an efficient health care system or that it could contain itself and ONLY insure a few people....
 
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i heard a radio program that had a canadian woman on the show who had suffered from a brain tumor. she said her canadian physician referred to get brain scans and to see a neurologist but wait was up to 8 months just to get testing. she said her symptoms of headaches and vision loss became worse. she mortgaged her house and went to Arizona to get treatment. a neurologist saw her and tested her in about a week and discovered the brain tumor. she went back up to canada to show the results to her physician, but they said the waiting list for that type of surgery was almost a year. she ended up getting the surgery done in Arizona. she said it really hurt her financially but she probably would have died waiting for the procedure.

she said that the canadian gov put quotas on the number of patients they can see in a year. she said once their quota is reached, they'll take off 1-2 months. she also said the government put limits on hours a surgeon can operate, so once they've reached the limit, they just take off until their hour are replenished.
 
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i don't know a single person without health insurance who isn't a stoner, alcoholic, or just a grade A loser. I do know unemployed people who are capable, but every one of them pays for their own healthcare.
 
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allvol123 said:
That is where I stand. But hey, how can you take over stuff without drumming up fear.
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Drumming up fear certainly helps to push through agendas. Anybody that thinks Obama is the first to do this is delusional though. The last administration was a master at this.

FWIW, I think Obama's healthcare plan is garbage, and will only make the problem worse. I've said it before, but Obama flat out lied about taxing the benefits people currently have. This is going to result in nothing more than the rich....and middle class working hard to pay their own healthcare...financing it for everyone else.

I couldn't read the article, but I would suspect there is a lot of truth to the article linked in the OP.
 
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droski said:
i don't know a single person without health insurance who isn't a stoner, alcoholic, or just a grade A loser. I do know unemployed people who are capable, but every one of them pays for their own healthcare.
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have you read the Book Ten myths about healthcare.

it talk about the numbered of insured, many people are young and don't feel the need to buy, some people had insurance and lost it due to loss of jobs, some people don't want insurance and they pay for their own coverage. that who 42-49 millioin number is such a lie.
 
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the line about ".when the majority of voters realize they can vote themselves money..." becomes more true each day... we're somewhere toward the bottom of this quote..

from boortz.com
This is one of my favorites. From Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
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good post.

this part surprises me:

>the vast majority of Americans think they already have a good deal with their current health care<

i've never talked to anyone who did not think that health care is too expensive.
 
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Daddy Gee said:
rahm: "Don't waste a crisis"
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This is becoming more evident daily. Now that the press is finally growing (or attempting to grow) a pair and poll numbers are slipping, the urgency is greater than ever.

Arguments for Cap and Trade and Healthcare are now being couched in terms of savings 20 years from now. Neither has a thing to do with the current "crisis" of the economy and in fact both are likely to be counter productive to recovery in the short run.

The implications of these bills (and of the proposed financial regulatory changes) are so far reaching and unknown that is reckless to proceed with the speed and process being used.
 
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volinbham said:
This is becoming more evident daily. Now that the press is finally growing (or attempting to grow) a pair and poll numbers are slipping, the urgency is greater than ever.

Arguments for Cap and Trade and Healthcare are now being couched in terms of savings 20 years from now. Neither has a thing to do with the current "crisis" of the economy and in fact both are likely to be counter productive to recovery in the short run.

The implications of these bills (and of the proposed financial regulatory changes) are so far reaching and unknown that is reckless to proceed with the speed and process being used.
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Do you think Obama's stimulus and healthcare reform will become his "Iraq"?

What I mean is, there is a perceived crisis right now that Obama is taking advantage of, with very little challenge from the press...and when the dust settles and people are thinking clearly again, will we all notice how big of a mistake this all is and how pathetically managed and conceived it was?
 
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rjd970 said:
Do you think Obama's stimulus and healthcare reform will become his "Iraq"?

What I mean is, there is a perceived crisis right now that Obama is taking advantage of, with very little challenge from the press...and when the dust settles and people are thinking clearly again, will we all notice how big of a mistake this all is and how pathetically managed and conceived it was?
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it depends how easy it will be to blame bush in the future for the economy tanking.
 
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rjd970 said:
Do you think Obama's stimulus and healthcare reform will become his "Iraq"?

What I mean is, there is a perceived crisis right now that Obama is taking advantage of, with very little challenge from the press...and when the dust settles and people are thinking clearly again, will we all notice how big of a mistake this all is and how pathetically managed and conceived it was?
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One big difference is the Iraq situation was easier to observe. We could see continued violence, continued spending, little progress etc.

With the stimulus and HC/C&T, the effects will be less clearly obvious and more easily attributable to other reasons.

In short, I think Obama policies have greater potential to do more damage than Bush's Iraq policy but we are less likely to be able to see the damage in the short term (5 years) and see it clearly.
 
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rjd970 said:
Drumming up fear certainly helps to push through agendas. Anybody that thinks Obama is the first to do this is delusional though. The last administration was a master at this.

FWIW, I think Obama's healthcare plan is garbage, and will only make the problem worse. I've said it before, but Obama flat out lied about taxing the benefits people currently have. This is going to result in nothing more than the rich....and middle class working hard to pay their own healthcare...financing it for everyone else.

I couldn't read the article, but I would suspect there is a lot of truth to the article linked in the OP.
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Yep and Obama's administration is mastering this technique as well.
 
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