Intriguing Statistical Study for Extrapolating Dobbs’ Potential Success

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Tony Basilio provided a link to an intriguing statistical analysis, one performed by Matt Hinton (So you're starting a true freshman quarterback... - Football Study Hall), which provides intriguing clues for extrapolating potential success for Josh Dobbs or, for that matter, Riley Ferguson if he had been presented the opportunity to start at quarterback. Hinton analyzed the performance of all 28 quarterbacks who, since 2008, started as true freshmen in a major conference and attempted at least 100 passes in their freshmen campaigns. A number of intriguing points emerge from his findings:

(1) In remarks pertaining to Jared Goff, who started the 2013 season as Cal’s quarterback, Hinton made the following comments, which, needless to say, draw a striking resemblance to the situation Justin Worley faced initially: “It would help, of course, if he had been promoted in a stable system that surrounded him with veterans, instead of a rebuilding job populated overwhelmingly by other freshmen and sophomores. . . . But stable situations tend not to be desperate enough to rely on new arrivals at the most important position, which is only one reason so many freshmen thrown into the fire early on seem to spend the rest of their careers playing catch-up – if they last that long.”

(2) Conventional wisdom advocates that most quarterbacks will experience steady progress from year-to-year over the course of their college careers. Hinton concludes from his data, however, that this notion applies only to elite quarterbacks destined for stardom. For most quarterbacks, the concept of a “steady upward trajectory with experience is thwarted by a rapid leveling-off. Most of the time, beyond a small window for improvement at the very beginning, mediocrity is a harbinger of more mediocrity. Most guys are who they're going to be almost right from the beginning

(3) “Among true freshman quarterbacks in the six major conferences over the last five years, in fact, only six have both a) Started a majority of their team's games, and b) Finished with a pass efficiency rating above 130, roughly in line with the national average.” This group included Terrelle Pryor, Robert Griffin III, Braxton Miller, Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Barkley, and Perry Hills.

(4) With respect to the other twenty-one true freshman quarterbacks, Hinton emphasizes “just how rarely young quarterbacks who struggle to find their niche early ever do over time.” He offers the following qualifying remarks which pertain specifically to Tyler Bray’s freshman success: “Tyler Bray's number here is misleading, as he took the reins in 2010 just in time to carve up Tennessee's traditional November feast of Memphis, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and (in this case) Ole Miss in his first four starts, teams that finished a combined 13–36 that year. Given that his efficiency against SEC defenses actually fell over his last two seasons – not to mention the losing records and the whole "leaving early only to go undrafted" thing. . .”

What does all of this ultimately have to do with predicting potential success for Josh Dobbs? Based on comparison to other quarterbacks thrust into similar situations, we should know fairly quickly whether Josh has the proverbial right stuff. Given the fact that one could have hardly selected more difficult circumstances for his debut than to face the number one-ranked team and scoring defense on the road, the early results are, indeed, promising.
 
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I think we will know if we have an elite QB when we see one. I like the velocity Dobbs has on the ball as well as his pocket awareness. It was obvious when Ainge, Manning, Shuler, Clausen and Bray played their freshman year they were going to be good.
 
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He hung 10 on Bama's best. (in 30 minutes)
Only 2 of 7 others have done the same or more in 60 minutes.
One was named Johnny.
Very impressive from where I'm sitting.
 
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This is a great post. Obviously anything can happen, and Dobbs is certainly a different guy than most of the quarterbacks who come through ANY system (in the IQ department). Statistics rarely lie. After the second half of Saturday's game, I am looking forward to seeing what happens!
 
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Good post.

I do think it's generally true that you know what you have with a Freshman QB within a few games. I wouldn't throw too much stock into one half (especially when Bama was already up 35-0 and had less of a sense of urgency), but Dobbs did at least look poised and seemed to add something we've been missing. We'll know soon enough with Mizzou and Auburn how he holds up.

The most promising thing to me, as already mentioned by VFLnSFD, is Dobbs' IQ. Obviously, being smart doesn't automatically make one a good QB, but it certainly helps with running a more complex hurry-up, no-huddle type offense. If you look at the guys who have traditionally been successful in that type of scheme, they are normally more intelligent than your average QB.
 
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Good post.

I do think it's generally true that you know what you have with a Freshman QB within a few games. I wouldn't throw too much stock into one half (especially when Bama was already up 35-0 and had less of a sense of urgency), but Dobbs did at least look poised and seemed to add something we've been missing. We'll know soon enough with Mizzou and Auburn how he holds up.

The most promising thing to me, as already mentioned by VFLnSFD, is Dobbs' IQ. Obviously, being smart doesn't automatically make one a good QB, but it certainly helps with running a more complex hurry-up, no-huddle type offense. If you look at the guys who have traditionally been successful in that type of scheme, they are normally more intelligent than your average QB.

If he can follow the concepts in his Statics and Dynamics classes, he can EASILY follow whatever offense he is taught!
 
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Does tony have a new show?

Also stats r saying most fesh qbs r avg n very few r great. Only tn fans thought bray was great.

We will find out sat.
 
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This kind of confirms what a lot of us know. Unfortunately for Worley his ceiling may be limited. For all those that say "be patient and let the young man learn", the truth seems to be they rarely get better. I haven't liked Worley's wind up from his first game action as a freshman. Just didn't seem to have an SEC arm really. First throw Bray made I looked at my buddy and said "wow, there's our QB". Dobbs looked good and you can tell he's got some really nice potential. Whether he can get wins or not, we will see. Bray didn't have a coach that could help him, luckily Dobbs does (& ferguson too for that matter). I wonder if Peterman will ever get another shot. Really that confluence of events at FL didn't show us much, other than a few really bad plays. In any event, looking back over Dobbs' game last week, he really did a nice job and time will tell us quickly it seems if he can get it done. Again, unfortunately for Worley, he may have a decision to make in the spring if Dobbs plays well and we get to 6,7, or 8 wins.
 
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What does all of this ultimately have to do with predicting potential success for Josh Dobbs? Based on comparison to other quarterbacks thrust into similar situations, we should know fairly quickly whether Josh has the proverbial right stuff. Given the fact that one could have hardly selected more difficult circumstances for his debut than to face the number one-ranked team and scoring defense on the road, the early results are, indeed, promising.


Well....it's one game.

But I do hope he carves up Misery! :rock:
 
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Basically, the best continue to get better and the average or below average struggle even to stay at the level they entered at. Its like that with many things - you can work and train competence (ie, journeyman level) in a skill set but you cannot inculcate the "rage to master" needed to become a top achiever (world class level). Some things, you are indeed born with.
 
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My extensive calculations show that Dobbs will be dropping something in excess on 500 million metric tons of whoopazz on Mizzou.

If you are going to the game, be prepared to encounter Mizzou fans in states of extreme psychological duress and confusion. This occurs when awaking from a state of cognitive dissonance about your football team's potential. In layman's terms: their bubble is going to burst.

Apply taunts gently and repeatedly on order to help Mizzou fans reawaken to their true position in the SEC pecking order.

Do not mention Dobbs or McCullers by name, though, as this could trigger post-traumatic stress reactions.
 
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Dobbs is extremely smart and seems to be able to apply his "photographic memory" to football... and not just the playbook. I believe I heard one of the other players say something about coverage reads coming easier to him than most too. Jones commented on his ability the make the "anticipatory throw". IOW's, he sees things that aren't there yet. ALL great passing QB's have that one thing in common.
 
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Do not mention Dobbs or McCullers by name, though, as this could trigger post-traumatic stress reactions.

If I was an SEC QB, the thought that McCullers could at any time escape a double-team and fall on top of me would be enough to give me nightmares.
 
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In summary, that's why I have agreed with the way Butch has done this. He got hit with thumb issues which were unforeseen, but the young qbs have had time to grow, vs being put out there to lead a program from day one. A program with an entire new staff and system. New to the wrs and ol that require checks and reads by the qb. People mocked about Butch being afraid of fragile egos or whatever and that he should've just thrown a true freshman out there anyway. Those people are clueless.
 
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I like Dobbs and I believe he does have a bright future on the grid-iron and in the class-room.

I would like to add one thing though...

Remember when Tennessee played Florida several weeks ago? Their QB, Driskel, was injured and the back-up QB had to take over.

He made some very nice plays and turned in a good performance off the bench.

The days following UF's win, there was talk about how UF found their new shooting star QB. He was being hyped, big-time, after playing only a partial game. UF had high hopes and their new QB did display some convincing promise.

Looking back, we can see how premature and over-extending the hype surrounding UF's new QB had become.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Dobbs will not live up to any of the rational expectations (ignoring any expectation of Heisman-like performance during his up-coming playing time). I'm only saying that he has nowhere near enough playing time for anyone to form an accurate, and fair, idea of his potential for future success (or failure).

Hopefully we all will have a better idea of what Dobbs, and potentially Ferguson, are capable of over the next several weeks and what is fair for us to expect from them...

Then again, speculation is fun-funezz:

Dobbs runs for 89yds & 1td, throws for 286yds & 3tds, and catches 1 pass for 23yds & 1 td!

I'll shave my donkey's chest if I'm right!
 
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I like Dobbs and I believe he does have a bright future on the grid-iron and in the class-room.

I would like to add one thing though...

Remember when Tennessee played Florida several weeks ago? Their QB, Driskel, was injured and the back-up QB had to take over.

He made some very nice plays and turned in a good performance off the bench.

The days following UF's win, there was talk about how UF found their new shooting star QB. He was being hyped, big-time, after playing only a partial game. UF had high hopes and their new QB did display some convincing promise.

Looking back, we can see how premature and over-extending the hype surrounding UF's new QB had become.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Dobbs will not live up to any of the rational expectations (ignoring any expectation of Heisman-like performance during his up-coming playing time). I'm only saying that he has nowhere near enough playing time for anyone to form an accurate, and fair, idea of his potential for future success (or failure).

Hopefully we all will have a better idea of what Dobbs, and potentially Ferguson, are capable of over the next several weeks and what is fair for us to expect from them...

Then again, speculation is fun-funezz:

Dobbs runs for 89yds & 1td, throws for 286yds & 3tds, and catches 1 pass for 23yds & 1 td!

I'll shave my donkey's chest if I'm right!

Well, Murphy won the next two games before regressing so I'm good with that because half a Dobbs can still take out KY and Vandy! :)
 
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When Bray came in against USC he had hunter, Rodgers etc... To throw to and never got sacked or pressured in those final four games. Dobbs has no WRs to throw too and a decent run game. I think he will do ok against UM and AU but then the vols have the off week before vandy(senior day) then Kentucky which SHOULD be a win. So might be hard to judge until the bowl game....... If we make it
 
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My extensive calculations show that Dobbs will be dropping something in excess on 500 million metric tons of whoopazz on Mizzou.

If you are going to the game, be prepared to encounter Mizzou fans in states of extreme psychological duress and confusion. This occurs when awaking from a state of cognitive dissonance about your football team's potential. In layman's terms: their bubble is going to burst.

Apply taunts gently and repeatedly on order to help Mizzou fans reawaken to their true position in the SEC pecking order.

Do not mention Dobbs or McCullers by name, though, as this could trigger post-traumatic stress reactions.

Very nice! I can't wait!
 

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