Irony: Socratic and Dramatic

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KB5252 said:
Yes, I agree it most certainly does. This piece is a perfect example of irony and half truths presented from his personal stance on this particular issue.
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Ultimately I think this is the way it is playing out across the political spectrum, including this board.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Ultimately I think this is the way it is playing out across the political spectrum, including this board.
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I won't argue that some posters here are way less than objective. The irony is that while trying to make a point you simply used an example of the same half truths presented from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

This is not a republican bill, it is simply a watered down version of the democratic bill that is at odds with many republican and conservative principles. The authors attempt to portray it like the democrats carrying water for the republicans is is moronic, and the author knows this, unless he's a brainwashed idiot incapable of independent thought.
 
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No surprise that Dionne misrepresents R/conservative principles. The premise of the article is flawed and the examples weak.
 
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KB5252 said:
I won't argue that some posters here are way less than objective. The irony is that while trying to make a point you simply used an example of the same half truths presented from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

This is not a republican bill, it is simply a watered down version of the democratic bill that is at odds with many republican and conservative principles. The authors attempt to portray it like the democrats carrying water for the republicans is is moronic, and the author knows this, unless he's a brainwashed idiot incapable of independent thought.
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preach it brother :hi:
 
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KB5252 said:
I won't argue that some posters here are way less than objective. The irony is that while trying to make a point you simply used an example of the same half truths presented from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

This is not a republican bill, it is simply a watered down version of the democratic bill that is at odds with many republican and conservative principles. The authors attempt to portray it like the democrats carrying water for the republicans is is moronic, and the author knows this, unless he's a brainwashed idiot incapable of independent thought.
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"many republican and conservative principles".


Is it also their principals to allow this country to spiral down the path of increasing national debt and runaway cost in a broken antiquated system that no longer represents need, form or function of either the best interest or principals of this country? The refusal to even consider change is truly telling on multiple levels.

The article hit is on the head in one sense. It implies the repubs said give us this and give us that and we will vote for it. Well they got it. They turned it into a dog and pony show. A stall tactic to give special interest time to "protect" their interest. Devoid of any concern for those less fortunate. It is a smack in the face of those to whom are fighting a class system, the one that already exist not the one the rebups say this bill will create. Which in reflective history is truly what is going on. Keeping a segment of the population in it's place. There are days when I truly beleive this.........
 
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"Special Interest gets it's money's worth."

what a bunch of garbage. obama is saying this crap simply to mask the deficiencies of the bill. there isn't a president in american history who has sold out more to special interests than obama.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
"many republican and conservative principles".


Is it also their principals to allow this country to spiral down the path of increasing national debt and runaway cost in a broken antiquated system that no longer represents need, form or function of either the best interest or principals of this country? The refusal to even consider change is truly telling on multiple levels.

The article hit is on the head in one sense. It implies the repubs said give us this and give us that and we will vote for it. Well they got it. They turned it into a dog and pony show. A stall tactic to give special interest time to "protect" their interest. Devoid of any concern for those less fortunate. It is a smack in the face of those to whom are fighting a class system, the one that already exist not the one the rebups say this bill will create. Which in reflective history is truly what is going on. Keeping a segment of the population in it's place. There are days when I truly beleive this.........
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wow........just wow
 
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droski said:
"Special Interest gets it's money's worth."
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actually it's 100% correct as long as you consider congressmen as their own special interest groups. There are some getting great deals for their people
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
"many republican and conservative principles".


Is it also their principals to allow this country to spiral down the path of increasing national debt and runaway cost in a broken antiquated system that no longer represents need, form or function of either the best interest or principals of this country? The refusal to even consider change is truly telling on multiple levels.

The article hit is on the head in one sense. It implies the repubs said give us this and give us that and we will vote for it. Well they got it. They turned it into a dog and pony show. A stall tactic to give special interest time to "protect" their interest. Devoid of any concern for those less fortunate. It is a smack in the face of those to whom are fighting a class system, the one that already exist not the one the rebups say this bill will create. Which in reflective history is truly what is going on. Keeping a segment of the population in it's place. There are days when I truly beleive this.........
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The changes made do nothing towards negating the fear that republicans/conservatives (and at least half of the American public) have. They have replaced the jump into socialized medicine with a strategy of incremental steps toward the same end (at least that's what many Americans fear). The concessions made are merely window dressing and are serving the same purpose as the tactics of republicans and conservatives which you criticize.

The plain and simple truth is conservatives have a different opinion of what needs to be done to solve the health care problem we have. They believe that tightening restrictions in some places and loosening them in others will solve a good bit of the problem. Tort reform is a problem that needs to be addressed as the cost of doing business in the medical profession in many cases has become astronomical.

The democrat plan is geared toward government solutions, the conservatives believe that some of the problem is government solutions and unintended consequences they bring. Accusing the right of perpetuating a class system to keep people in their place is absurd. I guess you believe the democrats are equally guilty of this as well? After all the more people they can keep down and dependent on government the more they can consolidate their power and influence right?
 
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EJ Dionne probably believes that any healthcare legislation that doesn't involve single-payer is a "republican bill".

The irony here is that this country was founded because it wanted to be separate from Europe.
 
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The real irony of the thread is that anyone would quote a Washington Post aka Pravda on the Potomac on anything.

Orwell wrote that to speak the truth in a time of universal deceipt is a revolutionary act.

Quoting the Washington Post is about as revolutionary as eating a banana without removing the peeling.

Nourishing perhaps but it leaves you with a lot of stuff to spit out.
 
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gsvol said:
The real irony of the thread is that anyone would quote a Washington Post aka Pravda on the Potomac on anything.

Orwell wrote that to speak the truth in a time of universal deceipt is a revolutionary act.

Quoting the Washington Post is about as revolutionary as eating a banana without removing the peeling.

Nourishing perhaps but it leaves you with a lot of stuff to spit out.
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:eek:lol:


I would try to take you to task first thing this morning gs ,but I will just say Classic Post and classically,uniquely you.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
:eek:lol:


I would try to take you to task first thing this morning gs ,but I will just say Classic Post and classically, uniquely you.
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Damned with faint praise, I'll take that as a compliment.

The true irony is that Karl Marx was a patsy of the wealthy elite to begin with, he lived without ever being a productive citizen but as a kept man in a golden cage to write and create a credo that attacted the have nots to support the agenda of the haves.

Why is Obambie such a marxist?

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Obama's supposed father worked for the Kenyan central bank, he was no goat herder but a lackey of the Wall Street elite, just as Barry is.

Your Post article is just another example of the 'divide and conquer' principle and based on deception.
 
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