Is God helping Tim Tebow win games?

Is God helping Tim Tebow win games?

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WesternKyVol

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I've always been annoyed when players thank God for a victory, wondering why they believe he prefers them to their opponent. With Tebow though, I can understand why he might, which is why I am voting "not sure" in this poll. I have to wonder why God would give Tebow such a poor throwing motion if he wanted him to succeed as an NFL quarterback...but then again, Moses stuttered.
 
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if by God you mean his defense then yes. He had a good game yesterday but isn't what is carrying the team
 
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This should probably be merged with the all inclusive Tebow thread or moved to the politics forum, lol.

Is this a serious question?
 
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No, I am an athiest, I believe that there is not a god, so how could he be helping Tebow?

(No disrespect at all to all the religious folk on here, the fact that you believe is your choice and I respect you for it. Like that up there is my opinion, religion is yours, I am not here for an argument, I would never hold religion against anyone or dislike someone on their beliefs. You are all great minus a couple of dodgy users, you are all family to me.)
 
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It was pretty tricky of God to make McGahee fumble so they couldn't put the game away in regulation.
 
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Ah, so that's why God put Ryan Clark's life in danger and gave him sickle cell. Got it.
 
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Always thought God was a Cowboys fan that's why the old stadium had a hole in the roof. Maybe he's mad about the new stadium and switched to the Broncos cause it's the closest stadium to him.
 
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^ this is just asinine. Tebow was mic'd up for a game recently and was heard praying, and I paraphrase, "God give me the courage to glorify you in victory or defeat". He wasn't praying for touchdowns, completions or the ability to make a sound decision NOT to run 30 yards the wrong way and be sacked.
 
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superdave1984 said:
^ this is just asinine. Tebow was mic'd up for a game recently and was heard praying, and I paraphrase, "God give me the courage to glorify you in victory or defeat". He wasn't praying for touchdowns, completions or the ability to make a sound decision NOT to run 30 yards the wrong way and be sacked.
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God, if He exists and is omnipotent, does not need humans to add to His glory. In fact, to imply that he does sounds highly blasphemous.
 
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So much bad theology in this thread.

I'm a Christian philosopher and I believe that God is certainly NOT directly helping Tebow win a game. If God is helping him win in any way it is because He blessed him with natural talent and athleticism, and Tebow, in his devotion, has worked hard to develop those talents and use them to the glory of God. God is not directing passes or causing fumbles, or anything of that sort.

However, the notion that humans can't glorify God and such is blasphemous is quite wrong. We can't add to God's infinite glory, but our purpose in creation is to worship and glorify God. Tebow tries to do that by honoring his Lord with his football skills. There is nothing blasphemous about that.

On the point of African people starving: Most extreme famine and starvation is the fault of poor and corrupt governments who withhold proper care and supply to their people. Notably, the atheistic communist gov't of Mao Zedong in China purposely starved over 100 million of its own people in the name of its godless political agenda.

The point is this: Much suffering is the cause of the willful rebellion of free moral agents, and often the sins of people cause great suffering and destruction for others, sometimes thousands and millions of others.

The Christian believes it is our duty to alleviate suffering and help the less fortunate, but such evils will not be fully alleviated without the changing of hearts by the Gospel or until the physical world will be remade at Christ's return.

In the case of Clarke and the sickle cell anemia: Christians hold that natural evil is either an effect of the Fall and sin of Adam or is an instrumental good which is used to bring glory to God in some way. Or it may be both.

In conclusion, God is not directly helping Tebow, but is indirectly through His gift of natural talent coupled with Tebow's devotion in developing them. I don't think God actively wills Tebow to victory, but such is an effect of God's permissive (chance, choices of free agents) rather than His decretive will.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
So much bad theology in this thread.

I'm a Christian philosopher and I believe that God is certainly NOT directly helping Tebow win a game. If God is helping him win in any way it is because He blessed him with natural talent and athleticism, and Tebow, in his devotion, has worked hard to develop those talents and use them to the glory of God. God is not directing passes or causing fumbles, or anything of that sort.

However, the notion that humans can't glorify God and such is blasphemous is quite wrong. We can't add to God's infinite glory, but our purpose in creation is to worship and glorify God. Tebow tries to do that by honoring his Lord with his football skills. There is nothing blasphemous about that.

On the point of African people starving: Most extreme famine and starvation is the fault of poor and corrupt governments who withhold proper care and supply to their people. Notably, the atheistic communist gov't of Mao Zedong in China purposely starved over 100 million of its own people in the name of its godless political agenda.

The point is this: Much suffering is the cause of the willful rebellion of free moral agents, and often the sins of people cause great suffering and destruction for others, sometimes thousands and millions of others.

The Christian believes it is our duty to alleviate suffering and help the less fortunate, but such evils will not be fully alleviated without the changing of hearts by the Gospel or until the physical world will be remade at Christ's return.

In the case of Clarke and the sickle cell anemia: Christians hold that natural evil is either an effect of the Fall and sin of Adam or is an instrumental good which is used to bring glory to God in some way. Or it may be both.

In conclusion, God is not directly helping Tebow, but is indirectly through His gift of natural talent coupled with Tebow's devotion in developing them. I don't think God actively wills Tebow to victory, but such is an effect of God's permissive (chance, choices of free agents) rather than His decretive will.
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Your reasoning abilities are incredible. Kudos, sir.
 
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I know a lot has been made of this argument with many dismissing it as silly and/or irrelevant, but I'm not so sure in this particular case. While I do not believe God has any particular stake in the outcome of a football game and I also believe the Christians playing for Broncos opponents are blessed as equally as Tebow, you have to believe #1 that Tebow's faith allows him to accomplish more than his physical gifts allow and #2 if you believe great men of history have been used as a platform for God's message, then why not Tebow? On a humorous note: I know one thing is for sure, I'm God fearing enough to not pull against him. Go Broncs!
 
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