Is It Time for Another/Last SEC Expansion?

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VegasBaby!

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With the Big Ten picking up Maryland and Rutgers, is it time for the final SEC expansion? (I assuming 16 teams are the eventual final limit for any conference). I asked because Maryland brings the Big Ten the Washington DC TV market, the 9th largest TV market in the US. DC is presently considered an ACC market, but it's now in play with Maryland's announcement. It is probably in the SEC's interest to move on this market before the Big Ten negotiates a new TV contract.

As for the particular schools, Virginia Tech is a better fit than Virginia. I think NC State would make the best 16th school because its a state school in North Carolina. Both schools are their state's land grant university, giving them something in common with most SEC schools.

Virginia and North Carolina have 6 of the top 60 TV markets in the US (9, 24, 27, 43, 46, and 58) and would really grow the TV $ pie.

Originally thought this might be a few years out, but Maryland's move to the Big Ten makes it wise to move now to secure these TV markets.
 
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I know it is not a big TV market because we already have UF, but who is going to pick up Florida State?

I'd like to add UNC & Va Tech if we are expanding.
 
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EastTN28 said:
I know it is not a big TV market because we already have UF, but who is going to pick up Florida State?

I'd like to add UNC & Va Tech if we are expanding.
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TV dollars aside, I would prefer Florida State over NC State. However, to add them means fewer dollars per school since Florida TV markets are already included in the pie.
 
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(Oh boy....all this again...)



NC State's not as so simply feasible as everyone (namely, Clay Travis) likes to make it.

NC State has a 13 person board of trustees.

Of those 13, one's from the student government (and based on what happened with Missouri's board, that one's not allowed to vote on these kinds of matters), 4 are put in place by the state governor...and the 8 remaining NC State trustees are people put in place by UNC Chapel Hill's board...or to put it another way, UNC more or less represents 8 out of the voting 12 members of the NC State board.




(And because this usually comes up: it's not the same scenario as Texas A&M-Texas little brother situation: besides the fact that NC State's relation to UNC isn't near as animous/venomous as the two Texas schools, those two were actually separate entities...or to put it another way, it was more like convincing one friend he should stop hanging out with move out from living with that other guy...this kind of move, however, would be more the equivalent of while out walking one day, seeing someone wearing a watch and a sweater you really like, so you then proceed to try to rip off his arm)
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Nor, do we want them for the TV money reasons.
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It's actually a little less that reason in their case (they are enough of a national brand) and a bit more because they previously had been invited by the conference (during the 1992 expansion; the one that led to Arkansas and South Carolina), however a then-independent Florida State, after receiving this, instead decided to turn down the offer and accept the one the ACC had given them instead.

The fact that they went and did such apparently still doesn't sit all that well with a bunch of the SEC member schools (I'm told apparently not quite like "they felt the decision was an insult to them on a personal level" but enough to have negative views/feelings left over)
 
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VegasBaby! said:
With the Big Ten picking up Maryland and Rutgers, is it time for the final SEC expansion? (I assuming 16 teams are the eventual final limit for any conference). I asked because Maryland brings the Big Ten the Washington DC TV market, the 9th largest TV market in the US. DC is presently considered an ACC market, but it's now in play with Maryland's announcement. It is probably in the SEC's interest to move on this market before the Big Ten negotiates a new TV contract.

As for the particular schools, Virginia Tech is a better fit than Virginia. I think NC State would make the best 16th school because its a state school in North Carolina. Both schools are their state's land grant university, giving them something in common with most SEC schools.

Virginia and North Carolina have 6 of the top 60 TV markets in the US (9, 24, 27, 43, 46, and 58) and would really grow the TV $ pie.

Originally thought this might be a few years out, but Maryland's move to the Big Ten makes it wise to move now to secure these TV markets.
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It really doesn't. We're still a conference just a year into seeing if 14 teams in a single conference can be a feasibly managed endeavor (they've even had to push back permanent scheduling another year - they've said next season's schedule is another transition year - because they haven't been able to find the right/best way to schedule all these teams yearly while properly preserving what they want to amongst the old teams).
The conference has to at least have some time to stabilize somewhat before it would try to grow again / throw two more teams into the fray, especially only a year later.


In all likelihood, this doesn't create a one year gold rush or a terribly unstable ACC. All that would happen if Maryland left for the Big 10 would probably be the ACC inviting Uconn, and 3 of the Big 5 conferences now having 14 teams (SEC, Big Ten, ACC; the other two aren't likely going to do such without a valid reason, or actually decent teams to add) (meanwhile the Big East having to scramble about yet again)
 
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TrueOrange said:
Oh boy....all this again...



NC State's not as so simply feasible as everyone (namely, Clay Travis) likes to make it.

NC State has a 13 person board of trustees.

Of those 13, one's from the student government (and based on what happened with Missouri's board, that one's not allowed to vote on these kinds of matters), 4 are put in place by the state governor...and the 8 remaining NC State trustees are people put in place by UNC Chapel Hill's board...or to put it another way, UNC more or less represents 8 out of the voting 12 members of the NC State board.




(And because this usually comes up: it's not the same scenario as Texas A&M-Texas little brother situation: besides the fact that NC State's relation to UNC isn't near as animous/venomous as the two Texas schools, those two were actually separate entities...or to put it another way, it was more like convincing one friend he should stop hanging out with move out from living with that other guy...this kind of move, however, would be more the equivalent of while out walking one day, seeing someone wearing a watch and a sweater you really like, so you then proceed to try to rip off his arm)
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They're part of the north Carolina university system not to be confused with the university of north Carolina at chapel hill.
 
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golfballs said:
They're part of the north Carolina university system not to be confused with the university of north Carolina at chapel hill.
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Yes, I'm aware of that. But the UNC board of governors still selects/choses almost 3/4 of NC State's board members. Perhaps the imagery/comparison I went with wasn't the best one. But that aside, they (either the heads of the UNC system they all fall under or UNC itself) still appear to have quite a sizable say in whatever NC State choses to do or not to do
 
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The 16th team can be anybody that expands the pie by at least $20 -$25 million/yr (probably in North Carolina or Texas). The 15th team should bring the top ten Washington DC TV market (9th). It's the "big get" that grows the pie by well over the $25 million. Maryland is going to the Big Ten, that leaves UVA and VA Tech at the BCS level in the DC market. Either team will bring DC, plus Hampton Roads and Richmond.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
The 16th team can be anybody that expands the pie by at least $20 -$25 million/yr (probably in North Carolina or Texas). The 15th team should bring the top ten Washington DC TV market (9th). It's the "big get" that grows the pie by well over the $25 million. Maryland is going to the Big Ten, that leaves UVA and VA Tech at the BCS level in the DC market. Either team will bring DC, plus Hampton Roads and Richmond.
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...no one left in Texas save Texas Austin is going to bring in anywhere near that kind of money; you're just expanding for numbers sake if you're talking about adding a Texas Tech, SMU, TCU, etc

(same way just having any team in NC doesn't automatically result in bringing in that type of revenue)



I take it the direction you're going with this is "the SEC should add UVA and Va Tech?"
 
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