Is the B12 weaker

[#1fulmerite]

Even with the new additions, is the B12 weaker without Texas and Oklahoma? It seems they have survived well with adding teams but, to me, the additions do not equate with what they lost.

I’m curious to what others think or if I am alone with this thought process.

 

[stolitonic]

Weaker by a long shot.

Both in prestige and $$

I would guess that Texas' AD revenue alone probably exceeds that of at least two of the schools joining this year combined.

I'm actually shocked they have survived. P12 had to really screw up for the B12 to come out of this smelling like a rose in comparison to where they stood two years ago

 

[bamawriter]

Even with the new additions, is the B12 weaker without Texas and Oklahoma? It seems they have survived well with adding teams but, to me, the additions do not equate with what they lost.

I’m curious to what others think or if I am alone with this thought process.

Weaker. But they stood a chance of being far weaker. The Pac-12 could have wrecked that conference but stumbled over their own ineptitude. The Big XII avoided that and are positioned as, perhaps, the best of the also-rans.

 

[SpookyAction]

Weaker, but they survived by consuming the carcass of a peer-level conference.
The president of the BigXII maneuvered circles around the president of the PAC12.
The PAC12 needed to have decent programs for replacements lined up, but the BIGXII implemented their backup plan faster and better.

The BigXII still has some decent football on tap, and their basketball will be good.
They'll continue. The PAC12 is gone.

 

[WillisWG]

Dust in the wind

 

[vols 30]

Dust in the wind

Carry on my wayward Big 12

 

[RDU VOL#14]

They might not be very good at the top in football, but they’re interesting. I will definitely watch because I love college football and they have a cool variety of pretty decent teams.

 

[wmcovol]

They survived but that’s all you can say. No one in it is a serious NC contender. TCU caught lightning in a bottle LY but reality hit them. Michigan should be ashamed losing like they did. But they will play entertaining football and I’d rather watch that that B10 snnozefests thru Sept & Oct

 

[Dudleys87]

Some would say stronger because getting rid of a Texas sized headache always helps.

As for me it’ll always another step until you get to the penthouse.

 

[LouderVol]

Weaker overall, but like someone else said they are clearly the #3 now. The ACC is top heavy, the Big 12++++ is solid and has a bunch of solid teams playing each other game in and game out.

If I am then I go after the ACC HARD!
Get some national brands with Clemson and Florida State. Grab up some other markets like GA, SC, NC, VA. I still think they would be #3 after that but it's a pretty intriguing league even with the bloat. Go to an east vs west format.

Throw in some formatting, like an Big 12++ Vs SEC yearly game, and maybe find a partners with a BIg 10 scheme as well. Could even be multiple games. Doesnt need to be full conference vs conference. Could even be just the bottom half playing. maybe give the smaller schools an equal rival and reason to watch them.

People complain about losing old rivalries, let's start creating some new ones. Plus bragging rights, read SoS, argument for the participating conferences.

They are clearly open to new things, games and bowls in Mexico, wacky realignment.

 

[stolitonic]

Weaker. But they stood a chance of being far weaker. The Pac-12 could have wrecked that conference but stumled over their own ineptitude. The Big XII avoided that and are positioned as, perhaps, the best of the also-rans.

Read something interesting a few nights ago.

When Texas and Oklahoma bolted for the SEC in 2021, most of the Pac 12 was ready to pillage the remains of the B12. They picked up 4-6 teams and realistically the Pac 12 would have survived even after the two LA schools bolted.

Apparently the USC president led the charge against any expansion at that time.

We all know what happened a year later.

Basically, USC is responsible for the destruction of the Pac 12 in more ways than one.

 

[give_him 6]

Unlike the BIG10 and SEC it will not be as top heavy and have the blue bloods, but it sure will be competitive in both football and basketball.

 

[n_huffhines]

Trading in Texas and OU for U of A, Utah, ASU, and CU was probably an improvement hoops-wise.

Denver is a big market and getting the entire Arizona market is nice.

 

[Godfatha]

The PAC leadership comes out of this looking like absolute buffoons. The ACC is about to follow suit (their only saving grace is that ridiculous buyout).

 

[stolitonic]

Trading in Texas and OU for U of A, Utah, ASU, and CU was probably an improvement hoops-wise.

Denver is a big market and getting the entire Arizona market is nice.

So herein lies the problem. None of these new teams have much of any national following. Colorado may have one at this exact moment in time though in a sense due to the Deion effect.

Face it, Texas and Oklahoma are two top ten programs historically. Takes quite a few Utah's to make up for that loss of your two bedrock teams.


So here's my question which I have not yet seen a concrete answer for. How long is the contract gonna be for this new B12 media deal?

This crap is going to slow down a bit for a few years now, but realignment is not yet "over".

I could easily see a few B12 teams that would crawl over broken glass to get to the B10 or SEC if given the opportunity.

 

[volbound1700]

They are definitely a Big East level league but they are more united because they have collected schools that do not have a shot at being in B1G or SEC but are quality programs and stronger than anything outside the Big12 (yes I think Big12 maybe stronger than ACC right now).

 

[eskimovol]

Didn’t the PAC almost take Texas about 2012ish but they weren’t going to let Texas keep the longhorn network so the deal fell through? That’s when A&M and Mizz decided to bolt.