Israel vs Palestinians

[norrislakevol]

Taking dissent as agreement isn't the way to a correct conclusion.
We did. See Kuwait and Iraq, Bosnia and Serbia.
Israel should back off the occupied territories, Palestinians should cease their aggression, and both sides should genuinely work on a fair long term soluton.

They never will do that, that's a pipe dream. There is nothing Israel can do to satisfy the Palestinians other than leave altogether or die.

 

[McDad]

So when it's our buds, or our overlords' buds, applying the brutal reality it's just the way the world works and is really a shame. When our buds are getting said brutal reality done to them though it's naked and unacceptable aggression which must be defeated. Noted.

That's not my position. And it shouldn't be America's, imo. I know it is a harsh truth but the better fighting force historically does what they want, when they want, to who they want. I am not making a statement on the morality of that truth. Nor am I making a statement about the hypocritical stance of other nations (including ours) when that truth is applied. I am making a statement about immigrating somewhere else...anywhere else...and the reasons why. I would do everything in my power to get my family out of that area ASAP. Ancestral lands be damned.

There is brutality all over the world. The sandbox is just another small area of intense conflict. Seems to me the only difference is how long the conflict has lasted. I have said many times on this forum the conflict will outlive all of us unless one side subjugates the other completely. Why we choose to get involved sometimes and turn a blind eye other times doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[McDad]

Taking dissent as agreement isn't the way to a correct conclusion.
We did. See Kuwait and Iraq, Bosnia and Serbia.
Israel should back off the occupied territories, Palestinians should cease their aggression, and both sides should genuinely work on a fair long term soluton.

I wish people like you were granted complete power over the area. You genuinely want peace. Not all the decision makers are so noble. Until someone with your type of approach is in a position to foment a long term fair solution, what you want will never happen. I want to win the Mega Millions. Also, will never happen.

 

[Smokey123]

 

[85SugarVol]

I wish people like you were granted complete power over the area. You genuinely want peace. Not all the decision makers are so noble. Until someone with your type of approach is in a position to foment a long term fair solution, what you want will never happen. I want to win the Mega Millions. Also, will never happen.

I’m guessing “fair long term solution” involves a full right to return, and kicking the Jews (back) off their land

 

[McDad]

I’m guessing “fair long term solution” involves a full right to return, and kicking the Jews (back) off their land

I got caught assuming in another thread. I won't make an assumption in this one.

to your point, "fair" may depend on which side of the divide you sit.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Breathe in, Breathe out, move on.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I got caught assuming in another thread. I won't make an assumption in this one.

to your point, "fair" may depend on which side of the divide you sit.

Eh. You may have to factor in which side is open to negotiations and which side will settle for nothing less than genocide.

 

[McDad]

Eh. You may have to factor in which side is open to negotiations and which side will settle for nothing less than genocide.

Geno Auriemma is pro genocide.

 

[McDad]

Breathe in, Breathe out, move on.

Left foot, right foot. Breathe. Repeat.

~ Pat Summit.

 

[KB5252]

Taking dissent as agreement isn't the way to a correct conclusion.
We did. See Kuwait and Iraq, Bosnia and Serbia.
Israel should back off the occupied territories, Palestinians should cease their aggression, and both sides should genuinely work on a fair long term soluton.

Neither side wants peace, I think Israel could be swayed to enter into a two state solution....... But Palestinians will not. So the point is moot.

 

[EasternVol]

That's not my position. And it shouldn't be America's, imo. I know it is a harsh truth but the better fighting force historically does what they want, when they want, to who they want. I am not making a statement on the morality of that truth. Nor am I making a statement about the hypocritical stance of other nations (including ours) when that truth is applied. I am making a statement about immigrating somewhere else...anywhere else...and the reasons why. I would do everything in my power to get my family out of that area ASAP. Ancestral lands be damned.

There is brutality all over the world. The sandbox is just another small area of intense conflict. Seems to me the only difference is how long the conflict has lasted. I have said many times on this forum the conflict will outlive all of us unless one side subjugates the other completely. Why we choose to get involved sometimes and turn a blind eye other times doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Well put. I know quite a few people who use "the Palestinians need to leave to save themselves' as rationalization for 'they should just leave so the Israelis get everything.

 

[EasternVol]

Did he mention he's humble?

 

[EasternVol]

I’m guessing “fair long term solution” involves a full right to return, and kicking the Jews (back) off their land

You guess wrong again. That's TBD between the aggrieved parties.

 

[EasternVol]

Eh. You may have to factor in which side is open to negotiations and which side will settle for nothing less than genocide.

Which side's coming closest today?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Which side's coming closest today?

Looks to me, having read Hamas' founding documents and public statements, Israel has been protecting themselves from a group of militant religious zealots who were founded on the basis of wiping them off the planet with no quarter given.

It sounds like your mileage varies.