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85SugarVol said:
Lol. You don’t understand what this means?

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You get all bent out of shape when I do it the other way doe…
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Bent out of shape? Naw. What I mean is that while not everything bad there is Israel's fault (which is what you imply my comment means), enough is to make the Gazans feel the need to create some deterence, not that their missiles are very effective deterence.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Hey, you know what might help…..
If the dipsticks would try calling out Hamas for their actions and calling for their surrender and return of the hostages.

You know, a way to end the hostilities.
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The problem is that Hamas has nothing else left with which to bargain. Don't misunderstand, I am not defending their taking of or keeping hostage in any way. Just saying that, from their perspective, if they hope to survive this (literally) the only thing they can offer up is release of hostages.

They do that now, without some enforceable assurance they will live to see the next day, they might as well end it themselves.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
You are focused on the details of the method, not on the terrible irreversible fact that the people end up absolutely DEAD.
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You got a lot of nerve to type this when you are in here cheerleaders the killing of children, women, journalists, first responders and aid workers.

WOW... the lack of self-reflection.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The real land „theft“ in the region occurred in 587 BC during the Babylonian Exile and again in both 70 and 132 AD as the Romans exiled the resident Jews. When the rightful owner of a property regains possession, that is restoration, not „theft“
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Did Israelites engage in land theft after Joshua lead them to The Promised Land? Those Canaanites and what not...
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Just drop the microphone already. WOW

Watch the whole thing to see him just shut up the college age Hamas cosplayer
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Hence the reason you don't hear anyone of the terrorist tribes coming out condemning Oct 7. While they would be fighting each other if Israel didn't exist, they support each other in terms of what happened on Oct 7th.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem is that Hamas has nothing else left with which to bargain. Don't misunderstand, I am not defending their taking of or keeping hostage in any way. Just saying that, from their perspective, if they hope to survive this (literally) the only thing they can offer up is release of hostages.

They do that now, without some enforceable assurance they will live to see the next day, they might as well end it themselves.
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Reality. They struck this match with the belief that their Muslim brothers were going to come to their aid. They were wrong….dead wrong, they greatly misunderstood their position and are now reaping their rewards. The only hope they have is to give up the hostages. They clearly aren’t going to do that so here we are.

My point is mindless crying about what Israel is doing won’t change anything. If the people crying about it actually cared about the people who were dying then they would be campaigning for a way to end the war that is an actual possibility. Because without the hostages and Hamas leaders…..Israel isn’t stopping.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did Israelites engage in land theft after Joshua lead them to The Promised Land? Those Canaanites and what not...
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Nope, because the Landlord gave them the title and told them to go in and kick out the squatters that had moved in after Jacob (the origin of the name Israel BTW) and his sons took Joseph‘s offer to temporarily relocate to Egypt to avoid the famine. The pharaohs held them captive for 400 years until Moses led them out in the Exodus. God told the Israelites to go home and He Himself gave them victory in their battles (as in Jericho).
If you want to call God Almighty a thief, go right ahead I guess, no skin off my teeth:
 
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www.972mag.com

‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza

The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.
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During the early stages of the war, the army gave sweeping approval for officers to adopt Lavender’s kill lists, with no requirement to thoroughly check why the machine made those choices or to examine the raw intelligence data on which they were based. One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all.

Moreover, the Israeli army systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity. According to the sources, this was because, from what they regarded as an intelligence standpoint, it was easier to locate the individuals in their private houses. Additional automated systems, including one called “Where’s Daddy?” also revealed here for the first time, were used specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences.
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“We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” A., an intelligence officer, told +972 and Local Call. “On the contrary, the IDF bombed them in homes without hesitation, as a first option. It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.”
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In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians; in the past, the military did not authorize any “collateral damage” during assassinations of low-ranking militants. The sources added that, in the event that the target was a senior Hamas official with the rank of battalion or brigade commander, the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander.
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“It was very surprising for me that we were asked to bomb a house to kill a ground soldier, whose importance in the fighting was so low,” said one source about the use of AI to mark alleged low-ranking militants. “I nicknamed those targets ‘garbage targets.’ Still, I found them more ethical than the targets that we bombed just for ‘deterrence’— highrises that are evacuated and toppled just to cause destruction.”
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For example, sources explained that the Lavender machine sometimes mistakenly flagged individuals who had communication patterns similar to known Hamas or PIJ operatives — including police and civil defense workers, militants’ relatives, residents who happened to have a name and nickname identical to that of an operative, and Gazans who used a device that once belonged to a Hamas operative.
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Hmm
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Reality. They struck this match with the belief that their Muslim brothers were going to come to their aid. They were wrong….dead wrong, they greatly misunderstood their position and are now reaping their rewards. The only hope they have is to give up the hostages. They clearly aren’t going to do that so here we are.

My point is mindless crying about what Israel is doing won’t change anything. If the people crying about it actually cared about the people who were dying then they would be campaigning for a way to end the war that is an actual possibility. Because without the hostages and Hamas leaders…..Israel isn’t stopping.
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Well, in that sense I guess you are speculating that there will be some betrayal within Hamas such that underlings give up the leadership responsible for 10/7 and get the hostages released, in exchange for which they survive. Would be a great result, and spare a lot of lives. Who knows, maybe that will transpire.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, in that sense I guess you are speculating that there will be some betrayal within Hamas such that underlings give up the leadership responsible for 10/7 and get the hostages released, in exchange for which they survive. Would be a great result, and spare a lot of lives. Who knows, maybe that will transpire.
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It’s the only way the war ends.
It might have been different under the previous regime but the lion is in this to the death and he has the support of everyone in Israel who matters or could stop it.
 
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