Israel vs Palestinians

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LouderVol said:
that's not how it works. especially when those in power is killing those who speak out against them.

If you voted for Trump but have accepted Biden, you didn't elect Biden just because you haven't thrown him out of office.
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And yet it is.
If I’m not throwing off a tyrannical government that’s refusing to hold elections then the results of their actions are just as much my fault as theirs.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Such a weird argument given Hamas has 75% support.

“They didn’t elect them! They just have overwhelming support from the citizens!”
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yeah because I trust polls when the people taking them have a gun to their head and dead compatriots as examples.

you never found it funny how ALL of these dictatorships manage to keep extremely high approval ratings at home? never thought that maybe, just maybe, the numbers are manipulated?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And yet it is.
If I’m not throwing off a tyrannical government that’s refusing to hold elections then the results of their actions are just as much my fault as theirs.
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where does that line stop/start? if you want to start holding people accountable for the actions of the politicians they DIDN'T elect you are going to have some serious issues. No government with the slightest bit of democratic process, including most republics, is going to be able to function.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah because I trust polls when the people taking them have a gun to their head and dead compatriots as examples.

you never found it funny how ALL of these dictatorships manage to keep extremely high approval ratings at home? never thought that maybe, just maybe, the numbers are manipulated?
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I didn't see any guns pointed at those dragging bodies and celebrating their the streets after Hamas attacked Israel....I still see no calls for surrender from Palestinians...even anonymously..maybe slice is right, time to listen to what both sides are saying and they are saying they cannot exist together
 
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LouderVol said:
where does that line stop/start? if you want to start holding people accountable for the actions of the politicians they DIDN'T elect you are going to have some serious issues. No government with the slightest bit of democratic process, including most republics, is going to be able to function.
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You can count on people like me to rebel the second someone here declares themselves god emperor and does away with elections. Now, we as a people do hold them accountable through the next election. Till then there’s no comparison here.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I didn't see any guns pointed at those dragging bodies and celebrating their the streets after Hamas attacked Israel....I still see no calls for surrender from Palestinians...even anonymously..maybe slice is right, time to listen to what both sides are saying and they are saying they cannot exist together
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No,
We are clearly morally superior and should tell everyone else on the planet what to do…..or else.

You know, like Hamas does
 
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NashVol11 said:
When one deals in dishonest BS like you, correctly pointing out that the teenagers in Gaza did not “elect Hamas” in 2006 is a “weird argument”
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I don’t know if it’s that weird, really. If we want to argue that kids are indoctrinated by a belief system because that’s all they know, and therefore should be treated accordingly, then that’s an argument I’m willing to listen too. I know that I thought differently as a child than I do as a 50+ year old. Some things I still believe and some things I have rejected because life taught me they were BS.
the youth in the United States would be an interesting study. They all seem to think and act according to their local indoctrination.
 
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LouderVol said:
they really didn't.

Considering the election was in 2006, and the median age is 19.6, no they did not elect Hamas.
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The opinion polls are pretty recent. The sentiments are practically unchanged.

Hamas enjoys the same amount of support among 19.6 year olds as they did with their parents.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I didn't see any guns pointed at those dragging bodies and celebrating their the streets after Hamas attacked Israel....I still see no calls for surrender from Palestinians...even anonymously..maybe slice is right, time to listen to what both sides are saying and they are saying they cannot exist together
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how many people did you actually see out there celebrating? 5% of the population? 10-25%? They absolutely exist, by trying to say its a representative body of the entire population is remarkably lazy and imo nefarious in intent. How many times have we seen "behind the scenes" pictures of live video interviews, protests, celebrations where it looks like a bunch of people on the main view due to perspective, but then you see it from another angle and its a laughably small group? maybe the streets we saw filled was literally it, every person they could get to celebrate their cause in one single view, and only in those small areas. Even given saturday in the fall I can go to at least 3 or 4 bars, and make you think Atlanta only cheers for the Vols.

people hear what they want to hear, and that goes for both sides, and goes far beyond this fight in Israel.

I have seen plenty of calls from Palestinians calling for peace. including the immediate turn over of all hostages and those responsible. we have had some come by our church. Catholics used to be a pretty good minority across Israel and Palestine. not as much any more, and their opinions have been it isn't the Muslims causing most of their issues.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You can count on people like me to rebel the second someone here declares themselves god emperor and does away with elections. Now, we as a people do hold them accountable through the next election. Till then there’s no comparison here.
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lol. you aren't that naive.

there is a reason there is a 90 plus percent incumbency rate. and it certainly isn't because we are holding them responsible. and remember, according to your own standard, it doesn't matter what an individual does in an election, or even if there is one, they are directly responsible for the actions of those in charge. that goes far beyond voting every 2/4/6 years.
 
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85SugarVol said:
The opinion polls are pretty recent. The sentiments are practically unchanged.

Hamas enjoys the same amount of support among 19.6 year olds as they did with their parents.
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according to whom? Hamas? you really think Hamas is letting people with very restricted access to the outside world give honest and reflective opinions?

I guess you think Kim Jung Un has a 100% approval rating. he has the polls to back it up.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah because I trust polls when the people taking them have a gun to their head and dead compatriots as examples.

you never found it funny how ALL of these dictatorships manage to keep extremely high approval ratings at home? never thought that maybe, just maybe, the numbers are manipulated?
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Except we don’t see results in Palestinian polling like you’re alluding to in North Korea.

Support for Hamas consistently registers in the 60%-80% range.

Who are these 1/3 to 1/4 of Palestinians not showing fealty?
How do they keep popping up in these polls?
How are they not dead yet?
 
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LouderVol said:
according to whom? Hamas? you really think Hamas is letting people with very restricted access to the outside world give honest and reflective opinions?

I guess you think Kim Jung Un has a 100% approval rating. he has the polls to back it up.
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That’s not what the opinion polls say. Maybe you should check them out 🤷‍♀️
 
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