It doesn't matter who the Republican nominee is

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Obama and Health Care, ABC News Washington Post Poll - ABC News


Only 20 percent of Americans now identify themselves as Republicans, the fewest in 26 years. Just 19 percent, similarly, trust the Republicans in Congress to make the right decisions for the country's future; even among Republicans themselves just four in 10 are confident in their own party. For comparison, 49 percent overall express this confidence in Obama, steady since August albeit well below its peak.

The Republican Party's difficulties are shown in another result as well; in an early assessment of preference for congressional candidates in 2010, the Democrats lead by 51-39 percent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Obama and Health Care, ABC News Washington Post Poll - ABC News


Only 20 percent of Americans now identify themselves as Republicans, the fewest in 26 years. Just 19 percent, similarly, trust the Republicans in Congress to make the right decisions for the country's future; even among Republicans themselves just four in 10 are confident in their own party. For comparison, 49 percent overall express this confidence in Obama, steady since August albeit well below its peak.

The Republican Party's difficulties are shown in another result as well; in an early assessment of preference for congressional candidates in 2010, the Democrats lead by 51-39 percent.
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1) Is ABC approved as legitimate journalism/media?
2) The R party should not even submit a candidate unless Obama approves after they get on their knees and beg him.
3) The governor races in NJ and VA sure say you are right.
 
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Yet more people watch conservative news... LG is so tiresome.

Fox News averaged 2.25 million total viewers in prime time for the third quarter, up 2% over the previous year. That's more than CNN (946,000, down 30%) and MSNBC (788,000, down 10%) combined.

Read more at: Fox News Dominates 3Q 2009 Cable News Ratings
 
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Might be a sampling problem with this poll. They indicate an approval rating for Obama of 57%. Other polls from the same time period are Gallup 51; Rasmussen 49; Fox 49. While it might be fun to dismiss Rasmussen and Fox, they are both inline with Gallup and the ABC poll is the clear outlier.

As a result, the sample looks to have under representation from Republicans.
 
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ABC???? Give me a break! Look at the samplings they use at ABC news, they probably paid employees to vote against Obama to make the poll look legit!
 
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The OP needs to be taken in context. I would bet the majority of people don't identify themselves as repubs because the republican party isn't what it used to be. What happened to fiscal restraint, non-interventionist foreign policy, and small government? Reagan probably wouldn't even recognize it today.
 
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rjd970 said:
The OP needs to be taken in context. I would bet the majority of people don't identify themselves as repubs because the republican party isn't what it used to be. What happened to fiscal restraint, non-interventionist foreign policy, and small government? Reagan probably wouldn't even recognize it today.
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The Republican party has moved away from conservative principles. In an attempt to appeal to more moderates they have became more like Dems, there is very little difference in the 2 parties at this time.
 
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In 2003, the Democratic party looked to be dead. The Republicans had the House and the White House, and had just won the Senate. Some analysts speculated that the Democrats may not recover power for more than a decade. Things change fast.
 
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tim said:
Yet more people watch conservative news... LG is so tiresome.

Fox News averaged 2.25 million total viewers in prime time for the third quarter, up 2% over the previous year. That's more than CNN (946,000, down 30%) and MSNBC (788,000, down 10%) combined.

Read more at: Fox News Dominates 3Q 2009 Cable News Ratings
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volfanjustin said:
The Republican party has moved away from conservative principles. In an attempt to appeal to more moderates they have became more like Dems, there is very little difference in the 2 parties at this time.
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It depends on who ends up with the leadership of the Republican party into next year and then 2012. Regardless of where you think the real number is on party-faithful right now, it is pretty evident that there is a struggle going on between the fiscal conservative/pragmatists and the ideologues. Fox has built its success by appealing to the ideologues, and they are certainly a force within the GOP.

I can't help but get the impression that the party regulars kind of look down on Fox and the legion of supporters they get. I mean, I think they are happy to show up on Fox and tout the Fox agenda to ensure that their audience votes and contributes to campaigns. But at the same time, you wonder if they don't roll their eyes a bit at the wack-a-doodleness of Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, and the others.

As the mid-term campaigns truly get under way, the test will be whether the dandidates in the tough districts are showing up on Fox to engender their support, or avoiding them. You will know then what to expect in 2012, i.e. someone more in the mold of Palin, or someone more in the mold of Romney.

Right now, my money is on the Fox wing of the party to take over. They've got such a pinata in Obama right now, and their constant swinging of a stick at him is why their viewership continues ot set records. This may be why the WH went on the offensive this past weekend. The more they can paint the GOP as led by Fox, the less willing the middle will be to move to the right.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It depends on who ends up with the leadership of the Republican party into next year and then 2012. Regardless of where you think the real number is on party-faithful right now, it is pretty evident that there is a struggle going on between the fiscal conservative/pragmatists and the ideologues. Fox has built its success by appealing to the ideologues, and they are certainly a force within the GOP.


Right now, my money is on the Fox wing of the party to take over. They've got such a pinata in Obama right now, and their constant swinging of a stick at him is why their viewership continues ot set records. This may be why the WH went on the offensive this past weekend. The more they can paint the GOP as led by Fox, the less willing the middle will be to move to the right.
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you act as if the liberal party hasn't recently been hijacked by the senselessly liberal crowd. Obama was elected purely on free money and pacifism. His example is actually going to allow the Bush wing back into the public light again. I find it horribly annoying.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It depends on who ends up with the leadership of the Republican party into next year and then 2012. Regardless of where you think the real number is on party-faithful right now, it is pretty evident that there is a struggle going on between the fiscal conservative/pragmatists and the ideologues. Fox has built its success by appealing to the ideologues, and they are certainly a force within the GOP.

I can't help but get the impression that the party regulars kind of look down on Fox and the legion of supporters they get. I mean, I think they are happy to show up on Fox and tout the Fox agenda to ensure that their audience votes and contributes to campaigns. But at the same time, you wonder if they don't roll their eyes a bit at the wack-a-doodleness of Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, and the others.

As the mid-term campaigns truly get under way, the test will be whether the dandidates in the tough districts are showing up on Fox to engender their support, or avoiding them. You will know then what to expect in 2012, i.e. someone more in the mold of Palin, or someone more in the mold of Romney.

Right now, my money is on the Fox wing of the party to take over. They've got such a pinata in Obama right now, and their constant swinging of a stick at him is why their viewership continues ot set records. This may be why the WH went on the offensive this past weekend. The more they can paint the GOP as led by Fox, the less willing the middle will be to move to the right.
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The recent poiling show half of the viewers of Fox are Republicans and the other half are mixed between Dems and Independents.
And they bring on plenty of Dems to debate the issues. Beckel, Combs and Powers among others.

The problem is this W.H. can't handle anyone not blindly following all of their propaganda. Was it not Hillary who said we have the right to disagree with this admin but any admin?

I mean you have just about every news paper in the country and every tv news station but 1. I am just glad Fox is bringing to light what all the other news outlets ignore.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you act as if the liberal party hasn't recently been hijacked by the senselessly liberal crowd. Obama was elected purely on free money and pacifism. His example is actually going to allow the Bush wing back into the public light again. I find it horribly annoying.
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The Democratic party has of course also had to fight off efforts of single issue advocates to take over. Abortion rights advocates, rights for homosexuals, ERA activists, have all at points attempted to completely take over the party for their own ends. I completely agree with you. And from time to time they have, if not outright succeeded, at least arrived at a point of control where the GOP has painted them with that face and taken advantage.

I think it fair to say that this time its the GOP struggling with its identity. The difference is, whatever you say about leftist groups trying to control the Democratic party, they have never had nearly the reach that Fox and those with whom it sympathizes have this go round with the GOP.

Fox controls and organizes many millions of very active voters and contributors. Whatever you might call them -- neocons, religious right, socially conservative -- they right now are the ones out front for the GOP. And that is not going to go over well with the middle come the midterms or 2012.

That's why I am so interested to see next summer how many of the GOP candidates in the close races latch onto Fox-type events, such as tea parties or protests against Obama, versus how many avoid that sort of linkage.
 
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Participating in a Tea Party WILL go over well with the middle. Non-republicans who are concerned with the economic direction of the country and excessive spending are sympathetic to the Tea Parties.

In a list of concerns of the populace, the Economy is number 1 and Govt spending/deficit is number 2. Healthcare is a distant 4th and Global Warming is a blip.

The primary message from the Tea Parties hit 2 big concerns for voters.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The Democratic party has of course also had to fight off efforts of single issue advocates to take over. Abortion rights advocates, rights for homosexuals, ERA activists, have all at points attempted to completely take over the party for their own ends. I completely agree with you. And from time to time they have, if not outright succeeded, at least arrived at a point of control where the GOP has painted them with that face and taken advantage.

I think it fair to say that this time its the GOP struggling with its identity. The difference is, whatever you say about leftist groups trying to control the Democratic party, they have never had nearly the reach that Fox and those with whom it sympathizes have this go round with the GOP.

Fox controls and organizes many millions of very active voters and contributors. Whatever you might call them -- neocons, religious right, socially conservative -- they right now are the ones out front for the GOP. And that is not going to go over well with the middle come the midterms or 2012.

That's why I am so interested to see next summer how many of the GOP candidates in the close races latch onto Fox-type events, such as tea parties or protests against Obama, versus how many avoid that sort of linkage.
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Where were you win all these far-left nuts were trashing Bush and protesting him at every turn?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fox controls and organizes many millions of very active voters and contributors.
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controls? for christ sake you have gone off the deep end. has it ever occured to you that many intelligent people decided obama is a lousy president all by themselves?
 
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Thus far, Obama has failed on essentially every significant pre-election promise he made. There are a large number of voters in the middle who are extremely disappointed with the discrepancy between "words" and "actions". If things don't change, BHO will be solely responsible for the resurgence of the republican party.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Thus far, Obama has failed on essentially every significant pre-election promise he made. There are a large number of voters in the middle who are extremely disappointed with the discrepancy between "words" and "actions". If things don't change, BHO will be solely responsible for the resurgence of the republican party.
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I am not trying to pick a fight with you but, anyone who listened to what he was really saying and his past connections he is doing exactly what he promised.
 
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volinbham said:
Participating in a Tea Party WILL go over well with the middle. Non-republicans who are concerned with the economic direction of the country and excessive spending are sympathetic to the Tea Parties.

In a list of concerns of the populace, the Economy is number 1 and Govt spending/deficit is number 2. Healthcare is a distant 4th and Global Warming is a blip.

The primary message from the Tea Parties hit 2 big concerns for voters.
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The first round did, I agree. And I have admitted that I was wrong about them that time. But the most recent version, the famous "60,000 or was it 2 million?" gathering in D.C. seemed to be a much more strident group with a more shrill tone.

I am not sure that the origianl fiscal conservative ideals are what will be championed at further such gatherings. The trend seems to be going in the opposite direction on that.



droski said:
controls? for christ sake you have gone off the deep end. has it ever occured to you that many intelligent people decided obama is a lousy president all by themselves?
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Control might have been a poor choice of words, I would admit. How about influenced?
 
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volfanjustin said:
I am not trying to pick a fight with you but, anyone who listened to what he was really saying and his past connections he is doing exactly what he promised.
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i can't tell you how many liberal friends i have that told me that he was only saying that wackjob liberal stuff to get elected and he would rule from the center. whoops.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Control might have been a poor choice of words, I would admit. How about influenced?
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it's the degree of influence that is the debate. do beck and hannity and all those guys bring up things that people otherwise might not know about? certainly. do they create a degree of outrage? of course. would these same people have been outraged if it came from another "non biased" source? i'd argue yes.
 
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