It seems like every season, Tennessee Basketball has 4-5 games

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volbound1700 said:
Where the team shoots like **** and loses. So far we have two already Texas Tech and Villanova.
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VolFreakJosh said:
Yeah, that’s every team in college basketball…
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So... if that's normally the case in college basketball--and probably in the NBA--here's a question for our elite basketball minds:

Thinking of the historic college teams that avoided losing even on nights their shooting was abysmal, what were the assets, capabilities, or strategies that allowed them to eke out a Win regardless?
 
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volbound1700 said:
Where the team shoots like **** and loses. So far we have two already Texas Tech and Villanova.
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Are you telling me our basketball team hasn’t gone undefeated the past 5 years?

What’s next, you tell me the football team hasn’t been undefeated the past 5 years too?
 
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BruisedOrange said:
So... if that's normally the case in college basketball--and probably in the NBA--here's a question for our elite basketball minds:

Thinking of the historic college teams that avoided losing even on nights their shooting was abysmal, what were the assets, capabilities, or strategies that allowed them to eke out a Win regardless?
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It would take an hour to properly explain this, so let’s just hit some highlights.

I can’t be sure of your premise. “Historic college teams that avoided losing” is vague. If I am to interpret that as undefeated teams, there aren’t many them. Which kind of proves the point in and of itself, but I digress.

Let’s go with some top of mind regular season undefeated.

UK, Wichita State, Saint Joe’s, IU (it’s so rare I don’t even have to say the year. Everyone knows which teams I am talking about)

Fun fact, only 1 of these teams won the tournament.

In the case of Wichita and Saint Joe’s, both those teams were loaded talent wise relative to their schedule and conference. Both teams had NBA point guards for instance.

When you outclass your opponent so much, you get easier shots, more transition points, you are superior on defense. Etc… you dominate all aspects of the game and it adds up. You can survive the variance of bad shooting more often than not.
Basically it’d be like if UT played in the Sun Belt. Would we go undefeated there? Probably.
Would we still have bad shooting games? Yes. But it’d matter less because we’d make it up other places. Rebounding, turnovers, defense, list goes on.


slightly off-topic but in the tournament last year, Baylor, one of the best shooting teams in the country, had a really bad shooting game in the tournament. (Opponent slips my mind. Maybe Nova?). Anyway, how did they win? The opponent shot even worse! Whether that was via defense of just statistical variance, that happens too.

In the case of UK, they were just way better than everyone. That team was deep and didn’t shoot the ball much at all. Layups, oops, Dunks. They poured in high percentage shots all game while also being filled with NBA level athletes that played solid defense. Generational team. Doesn’t happen as lot. Just put into perspective how good that team was, Devin Booker…came off the bench…

IU - no clue. Wasn’t born yet.

Also, sometimes you lose not because you shot bad. But the other team got lucky and shot really well. It just happens man, with so many statistical opportunities, you get outcomes like that. Everyone does, every year.
 
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Back in the day of John Wooden, we were always coached to, on a cold shooting night, draw fouls and get to the free throw line.

I was just wondering if there were some more evolved responses to cold shooting nights today.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Yeah, that’s every team in college basketball…
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Ugh, not the teams that win big like UK, UCONN, UNC, etc.

That is why we are PATHETIC and have never made a Final Four when small schools like Butler, VCU, Florida Gulf-Coast, Butler, George Mason, and Loyola-Illinois have made Final Fours recently.

I mean it is really pathetic that our program has never been to a Final Four.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Are you telling me our basketball team hasn’t gone undefeated the past 5 years?

What’s next, you tell me the football team hasn’t been undefeated the past 5 years too?
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No, I am saying our program is in the pathetic lists of teams that have NEVER made a Final Four and we really only have one ELITE 8 because we always play like **** in the Sweet 16 and lose. While small schools like George Mason with a fraction of our budget have gone to FFs.
 
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volbound1700 said:
No, I am saying our program is in the pathetic lists of teams that have NEVER made a Final Four and we really only have one ELITE 8 because we always play like **** in the Sweet 16 and lose. While small schools like George Mason with a fraction of our budget have gone to FFs.
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Do you know how many teams have made a FF? Do you have any sense for what goes into it?
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
Do you know how many teams have made a FF? Do you have any sense for what goes into it?
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To answer your question, 4 teams a year multiplied by 80 years of the NCAA Tournament (this counts the 2020 tourny cancellation) is 320 teams have played in the Final Four. Tennessee has NEVER had one.

I know the following teams have made it in the last 10 years:

1. George-Mason
2. Loyola-Illinois
3. VCU
4. Florida Gulf Coast
5. Butler 2x

Heck even in the SEC, the following programs have at least one Final Four:

Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and South Carolina
 
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IMO, the upcoming Arizona game will tell how good we are.

Lay another egg and that will show that we are overrated. If it is a 1 or 2 pt game, we are a top 10 team this season.

I expect UT to beat Tx and Memphis, but lose a close one to Az.
 
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volbound1700 said:
To answer your question, 4 teams a year multiplied by 80 years of the NCAA Tournament (this counts the 2020 tourny cancellation) is 320 teams have played in the Final Four. Tennessee has NEVER had one.

I know the following teams have made it in the last 10 years:

1. George-Mason
2. Loyola-Illinois
3. VCU
4. Florida Gulf Coast
5. Butler 2x

Heck even in the SEC, the following programs have at least one Final Four:

Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and South Carolina
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George Masons Final four was like 15 years ago. FGCU has never made a final four.
 
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wellsea180 said:
George Masons Final four was like 15 years ago. FGCU has never made a final four.
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The point is, many far lesser programs have made Final Fours and we have only been to the Elite 8 once ever. No one takes your bball seriously until you advance past the first two weekends.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Ugh, not the teams that win big like UK, UCONN, UNC, etc.

That is why we are PATHETIC and have never made a Final Four when small schools like Butler, VCU, Florida Gulf-Coast, Butler, George Mason, and Loyola-Illinois have made Final Fours recently.

I mean it is really pathetic that our program has never been to a Final Four.
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Who cares about final fours if you don’t win it
 
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volbound1700 said:
To answer your question, 4 teams a year multiplied by 80 years of the NCAA Tournament (this counts the 2020 tourny cancellation) is 320 teams have played in the Final Four. Tennessee has NEVER had one.

I know the following teams have made it in the last 10 years:

1. George-Mason
2. Loyola-Illinois
3. VCU
4. Florida Gulf Coast
5. Butler 2x

Heck even in the SEC, the following programs have at least one Final Four:

Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and South Carolina
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Florida Gulf Coast has never sniffed a final 4.
 
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