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"Scout.com > Tennessee
Cutcliffe v. Randy Sanders
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Jimmy Hyams
InsideTennessee.com Oct 19, 2005

Sanders, it seems, has been a lightning rod for criticism since shortly after the national championship Fiesta Bowl win over Florida State.

The consensus among Tennessee fans is that David Cutcliffe was a far superior offensive coordinator for the Vols that Randy Sanders. He’s too conservative. He doesn’t throw over the middle. He doesn’t throw on first down. He doesn’t throw to the tight end. He doesn’t throw enough. He doesn’t run enough. He doesn’t run enough to the left side.
I remember a fan once saying the Vols never threw on first down in a particular game. In fact, the Vols threw on 14 of 28 first downs.

You might have wondered why Tennessee didn’t throw to the tight end against Georgia. The Vols actually called six to eight plays with the tight end as the primary target, but the tight end wasn’t opened, so the quarterback threw elsewhere.

Things are not always what they seem – especially when it comes to play calling. It’s a lot easier from the stands or the couch – when you are pressured by a play clock to make an immediate call.

In comparing Cutcliffe and Sanders, things aren’t always as easy as the numbers. But here are some numbers to chew on.

In Cutcliffe’s seven years as UT’s offensive coordinator (1993-98), the Vols averaged 34.9 points per game. Under Sanders, UT is averaging 27 points.

Under Cutcliffe, the Vols averaged 33 points against BCS conference teams and Notre Dame. Sanders has averaged 25 points.

UT’s victory margin under Cutcliffe was 17.7. It’s 9 under Sanders.

UT’s win percentage under Cutcliffe: 83.6 percent. Under Sanders: 73.4 percent.

Those numbers don’t always tell the story. But they do raise a red flag. In a defensive league where a field goal is often the difference in the outcome, seven points a game is significant.

But it’s also significant that Cutcliffe worked with two of UT’s all-time great quarterbacks – Heisman Trophy runner-ups Peyton Manning and Heath Shuler – while Sanders has had undrafted Casey Clausen and A.J. Suggs and Erik Ainge and Rick Clausen, an LSU castoff who helped the Vols beat the Tigers in Baton Rouge.

Each coached Tee Martin for one season.

Clearly, Cutcliffe had a huge advantage based on his quarterbacks. But how much credit to you give Cutcliffe for maximizing the talents of Manning and Shuler? Would they have been as good under Sanders as they were under Cutcliffe?

We’ll never know.

Martin’s production wasn’t much different. He passed for 2,164 yards and hit 57.3 percent in 13 games under Cutcliffe. He passed for 2,317 yards and hit 54.1 percent in 12 games under Sanders.

The 1998 team averaged 33.2 points to 30.8 for the 1999 team. But the ’99 team scored more points against Florida, Georgia and Auburn than the ’98 team. The ’99 team also scored 38 against Notre Dame.

You could also argue that Cutcliffe had other advantages. UT’s running backs – Jamal Lewis, James Stewart, Charlie Garner, Jay Graham compared to Travis Henry, Travis Stephens, Cedric Houston, Gerald Riggs – and offensive lines were better under Cutcliffe. And Cutcliffe’s receivers – Joey Kent, Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Jeremaine Copeland – were more productive although the 2001 trio of Donte Stallworth, Kelley Washington and Jason Witten was terrific.

Sanders’ best offense was in 2001. It scored 400 points. It had 34 against Florida, 45 against Michigan, 35 against Alabama. The second-best offense, in terms of points, was 2000, when the 8-4 Vols padded their stats with 70 points against Louisiana Monroe, 63 against Arkansas and 59 against Kentucky.

To me, Sanders’ second-best job was in 2004, when he took two true freshman and an LSU transfer and scored 378 points – more than the talented 1999 team.

His worst job: This year.

In comparing UT’s last two offensive coordinators, Cutcliffe was more demanding and his offenses were more disciplined. He paid great attention to detail. He would practice a play until it was run right. He didn’t accept mediocrity.

Sanders appears to be more laid back.

Who was the better play caller? Who knows?

I do know this: Cutcliffe had more help at times with Kippy Brown coaching receivers and Sanders the running backs. Nobody on UT’s staff helps Sanders the way Sanders helped Cutcliffe. "

In 7 games so far this year, 17 fumbles (9 lost) and 8 INTs.
 
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Another interesting comment, from David Cutcliff at the Birmingham UT alumni pep-rally before the bammer game...."Randy Sanders is an offensive genious." OK, if that is true, who is choking our offensive chicken? Where should discipline come from? (ans. the top) Why can Sanders be a genious (2004 is a good example) but be an idiot a year later? Bottom line, Fulmer needs to let the OC have complete control of the offense including strategy, assistant coaching hires, discipline, etc., if we are going to EVER have an offense. Otherwise, it's the SOS, just another day.
 
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Oct 31, 2005 1:04 PM
Another interesting comment, from David Cutcliff at the Birmingham UT alumni pep-rally before the bammer game...."Randy Sanders is an offensive genious."  OK, if that is true, who is choking our offensive chicken? Where should discipline come from? (ans. the top) Why can Sanders be a genious (2004 is a good example) but be an idiot a year later?  Bottom line, Fulmer needs to let the OC have complete control of the offense including strategy, assistant coaching hires, discipline, etc., if we are going to EVER have an offense.  Otherwise, it's the SOS, just another day.
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Why do you think 2004 proves that Sanders was a genius? I didn't think our offense was very good last year either; the statistics prove that out. We won a lot of close games - but it wasn't because of great offense...save Florida.
 
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I think we've been weak in 2 key areas - 2 areas that were better under Cutcliffe:

Offensive line - hasn't been as good as it used to be despite solid talent.

QB development - Casey was good but didn't seem to progress much in his 4 years. EA has taken a step backwards.

These are not coordinator issues, they are position coaching issues. IMHO, this is where the improvement is needed.
 
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It's not the players who keep calling 3rd down pass plays set up for five yards when we need ten. Ugh!
 
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Originally posted by Georgiavol@Oct 31, 2005 1:20 PM
It's not the players who keep calling 3rd down pass plays set up for five yards when we need ten. Ugh!
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Actually, it is the PLAYERS who did not block or execute and 1st and 2nd down and that is what put UTK in 3rd and 10. And, it is the QB who makes the decision where to throw the ball, not the OC. I assure you someone is running a route further than 10 yards on 3rd and 10, but the QB sees that it is covered or for some other reason decides not to throw it to that person. If you were watching the S.C. game then you saw Ainge throw a 50 yard bomb that would have been an T.D. but an uninspired effort from Hannon (which is the norm for him) turned it into an incompletion. Sanders get credit for calling that play? Hannon should have dove for that ball. If I was Ainge I would have been furious. It was 3 inches off his fingertips.
 
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I agree--I think a lot of this is on this group of players and their no execution and no desire.

 
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Originally posted by therickbol@Oct 31, 2005 2:28 PM
Actually, it is the PLAYERS who did not block or execute and 1st and 2nd down and that is what put UTK in 3rd and 10. And, it is the QB who makes the decision where to throw the ball, not the OC. I assure you someone is running a route further than 10 yards on 3rd and 10, but the QB sees that it is covered or for some other reason decides not to throw it to that person. If you were watching the S.C. game then you saw Ainge throw a 50 yard bomb that would have been an T.D. but an uninspired effort from Hannon (which is the norm for him) turned it into an incompletion. Sanders get credit for calling that play? Hannon should have dove for that ball. If I was Ainge I would have been furious. It was 3 inches off his fingertips.
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Why is Hannon in the game? Why are these players that don't make the block or execute their assignment allowed to play? The players don't decide who gets in the game, its the coaches.

Although I agree there is plenty of blame to spread around the coaches however either don't have the players properly prepared or are letting guys get away with not giving 100% on every play.I'm sure we all agree that something has to change and since you can't fire the whole team you gotta start with coaches. Sanders biggest mistake may have been not insisting on better position coaches for the offense.
 
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These players are in the game because it is not just 1 or 2 players that are making these mistakes. Out of our RBs, Riggs, Foster, and Anderson have all fumbled inside the 5 in close games. Hannon, Smith, and Fayton have all dropped passes in the endzone, and Ainge and Clausen have combined for 8 INTs this year. UT is only so deep.
I think the problem lies with our coaches making previous recruiting decisions based upon verbal commitments they had already received, as in the case of Cedric Houston starting for 3 years because Cadillac Williams broke his verbal to us. Same thing with Christ Simms, so we were stuck with Casey. We thought we had Chris Leak wrapped up, until Clausen went down late in the season and Chris shunned us after we didn't give C.J. playing time. This year we had another verbal from Patrick Turner, now WR for USC. It is telling that the team that had the second most draft picks in the 90s (behind FSU) only had I believe 3 players drafted last year???
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Oct 31, 2005 2:22 PM
These players are in the game because it is not just 1 or 2 players that are making these mistakes.  Out of our RBs, Riggs, Foster, and Anderson have all fumbled inside the 5 in close games.  Hannon, Smith, and Fayton have all dropped passes in the endzone, and Ainge and Clausen have combined for 8 INTs this year.  UT is only so deep.
I think the problem lies with our coaches making previous recruiting decisions based upon verbal commitments they had already received, as in the case of Cedric Houston starting for 3 years because Cadillac Williams broke his verbal to us.  Same thing with Christ Simms, so we were stuck with Casey.  We thought we had Chris Leak wrapped up, until Clausen went down late in the season and Chris shunned us after we didn't give C.J. playing time.  This year we had another verbal from Patrick Turner, now WR for USC.  It is telling that the team that had the second most draft picks in the 90s (behind FSU) only had I believe 3 players drafted last year???
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It's not a talent issue. This year's and next year's draft will prove that out. It goes in cycles.
 
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Coaches are responsible for DEMANDING total execution and desire from their teams. Plain and simple. That is what strong coaches do.
 
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I don't see anyone on our offense being drafted within the first 3 rounds over the next two years. Riggs has proven he is a bust, our receivers are not playmakers, and our O line, for all their size has shown they can't move defenders. A lot of players can end up being drafted in the late rounds due to solid coaching in college, most high first and second rounders, go on almost pure athletic talent. NFL scouts will even pick up players they know are problems because they think the gamble is worth their raw talent.
Offensive Vols drafted under Sanders vs. Cutcliffe
2005: Cedric Houston (182)
2004: Troy Fleming (191), Mark Jones (206), Scot Wells (251)
2003: Kelly Washington (65), Jason Witten (69)
2002: Donte Stallworth (13), Fred Weary (66), Travis Stephens (119), Reggie Coleman (192)
2001: Travis Henry (58), Cedric Wilson (169), David Martin (198)
2000: Jamal Lewis (5), Chad Clifton (44), Cosey Coleman (51), Tee Martin (163)

1999: Peerless Price (53), Shawn Bryson (86)
1998: Peyton Manning (1), Marcus Nash (30), Trey Teague (200), Andy McCullough (204)
1997: Joey Kent (46), Jay Graham (64)
1996: Jason Laymann (48), Nilo Silvan (180), Leslie Ratliffe (213), Jeff Smith (241)
1995: James Stewart (19), Aaron Haydon (104), Jerry Colquitt (191), Billy Williams (212)
1994: Heath Shuler (3), Charlie Garner (42), Cory Fleming (87)

The QBs recruited into Sander's offense have yet to drafted, all of Colquitt's were. Sander's turned 8th round pick Houston into a 1,000 yd rusher, Colquitt had Garner, Graham, and Shawn Bryson...also had the Travis's and Jamal during the 98 run. Colquitt's QBs were throwing the ball to Kent, Nash, and Price...Sander's had Stallworth for 2 years and Washington for 1. Even Colquitt's 3 and 4 receivers were drafted, McCullough, Silvan, Williams, and Fleming.
I can't state that it's not a coaching problem via player development, however, Randy was the WR coach during Colquitt's tenure. So, if it is development, then he is doing something very different with these receivers than he did with Nash, Kent, and Stallworth.
 
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Originally posted by Georgiavol@Oct 31, 2005 1:20 PM
It's not the players who keep calling 3rd down pass plays set up for five yards when we need ten. Ugh!
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There have been 10 times more dropped balls, false starts, fumbles, ect. this year than bad plays being called.
 

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