Its true we can't play the "talent card" against Mizzou

[GLDunlap]

How many players red-shirted in 2009?

Without looking I would say zero. That's one reason I said would have been rs seniors. The problem started way before the 2009 season. Had the program not slid so far you would expect several from the 09 class would still be around. I'm guessing most upper tier SEC schools rs more then half their recruits every year.

*Daniel Hood did rs in 2009 that's it I think

 

[BanditVol]

True.

True. It is also true that both teams were missing key players. It is further true that at least some of us are less bothered by the loss than the beatdown and physical domination. UT has upperclassmen with talent on the OL and in the D front 7. If the secondary had caused the loss... I wouldn't like the loss but could live with them isolating Washington on Toney and having an absolute field day. I am OK with Dobbs making the kinds of mistakes you'd expect in that situation... and the receivers too. I sure would have liked to have seen them not make mistakes... and maybe some points. But their failures are completely understandable and really not greatly within the ability of the coaches to improve right away.

I agree with this, but as I point out elsewhere the critical SCORES all came through the air.

What really burns alot of us up is the underutilization of the guys with experience, development, and talent. THOSE are the guys that MU with less talent ran over.

No argument here. We are capable of much better than what we showed Saturday. It was very disappointing.

That's an advantage. Not a 340 yd rushing advantage but certainly enough to be the margin of victory... again, not a 28 pt victory.

339 yards rushing is unacceptable, but again, I attribute the greater margin mostly to the turnovers. They cost us two scores and gave one to Mizzou. Big difference. I would like to say most of the rush yards came in the second half, but IIRC, they had 197 rush yards at the half. Not really sure what happened there, but it was ugly.

UT didn't have a lot to play for? Knocking off a top 10 team to bring respect back to the program isn't "enough"?

Playing for the East, a shot at the SEC title, and in theory even the MNC is MUCH MORE motivating than just trying to knock off a top ten team on the road...particularly the week after the no. 1 team just schooled you. I didn't say UT had "nothing" to play for, just that Mizzou had more. A LOT more.

 

[BanditVol]

He is a good coach... but the culture here concerning athletics is not like it is in the southeast.

I got that from my visit. Very laid back. It was a nice change, to be honest. I live in bammer! :loco:

 

[BanditVol]

We've have lost 16-17 players just off the 2011 and 2012 classes and most of them were 4 star recruits. The entire 2009 class which would be rs seniors was wiped out. We are missing 14 players from the 2010 class. Everyone has attrition but were talking about at least 50-55 players. Most have been replaced but the replacements are mostly inexperienced or walk ons.

I thought about the RS senior thing. It probably did hurt, but though I have not done any stats, it seem typically there are only about 4-5 RS seniors around. So that does matter.

 

[TrueOrange]

Pinkel and MU go through cycles. If his recruiting does not improve, he will cycle down next year after losing Franklin, Britt, Franklin, Lucas, Washington, Sam, Wilson, Bonner, Gaines, Ponder, and White.

He may somehow break that cycle... but he's been doing it in the Big 12 that way pretty much the whole time he's been around.

He's also remarkably dodged a mass of injuries at the wrong time.

They didn't last year.

 

[BanditVol]

You mean Marshall? He has 520 yards rushing and as a team they have over 2700 yards rushing. Auburn's offense is nasty with or without Marshall running.

Good point, I had him confused with Mason.

He is the second leading rusher behind Mason though.

What an Aubie told me today is that he cant pass very well. That has to help, I guess.

If nothing else, if we get ahead somehow, they might have trouble catching back up.

 

[jwp1223]

We have in fact recruited better than them the last four years on average.

But quick...someone tell Uga and Florida that, because they both have even more talent than us! (and for the slower types on here, Mizzou beat them both).

Could it be that (a) Pinkel is a good coach, (b) playing a lot of seniors and juniors that have (c) been in his system for a number of years and (d) have a lot to play for right now?

Hmmm....can't win em all. A loss is a loss, who cares about the margin.

Enough about Mizzou....bring on Auburn!

They got their asses kicked by "the less talented" Mizzou team ****tard.

 

[BanditVol]

They got their asses kicked by "the less talented" Mizzou team ****tard.

What the f___ is your problem? Out of prozac? Seek professional help, or tell your 300 lb wife to lose weight so you feel like having sex with her and don't have to keep sneaking handies in the shower.

 

[Gary Drinkel]

how about the SEC finally gives Mizzou some respect? They are a damn good team.

 

[PureVol]

I think it's funny that just last week Mizzou was over-rated, not as talented as UT, and had UT played Mizzou's schedule UT would be ranked.

Fast forward a week later and somehow they are a legitimate top 10 team, UT isn't as talented, and has no depth.

So only after a team beats UT do they become good?

damn straight! you gotta beat the best to be the best!

 

[sjt18]

I agree with this, but as I point out elsewhere the critical SCORES all came through the air.

If the difference in the game were big plays against a unit that we know has some talent deficiencies but who just got beaten by by the athleticism of better players... I can live with that.

However that still isn't what we saw. On one long play, two UT DB's were sucked up and a guy got behind them. Poor execution or poor preparation.

Another was flat out blown... and it wasn't the first time on that pattern.

The other was an underneath pattern vs the goal line D with a TON of upperclassmen in the line up... preceeded by a 63 yd, stuff it down their throats drive. Nine rushes, 5 passes.

And once again, if this were a 17-3 game where the D held its on and the coaches outcoached MU but just couldn't overcome the rookie mistakes... I'd be feeling OK about it.

339 yards rushing is unacceptable, but again, I attribute the greater margin mostly to the turnovers. They cost us two scores and gave one to Mizzou. Big difference. I would like to say most of the rush yards came in the second half, but IIRC, they had 197 rush yards at the half. Not really sure what happened there, but it was ugly.

I can live with the understandable mistakes and shortcomings of inexperienced and underdeveloped players. I have a hard time with experienced players who fail like that and coaches that cannot use their talent and experience to stop that kind of domination.

I hate to bring it up... but Jancek has an SEC history. He has success elsewhere but he had good talent at UGA and still managed to get fired.

I didn't say UT had "nothing" to play for, just that Mizzou had more. A LOT more.

That's where the coach motivator comes in... That is one of Jones' fortes. It did not appear that he had them very jacked up for that game.

 

[sjt18]

They didn't last year.

Yep. They were as cursed last year as they've been charmed this year.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

Recruiting rankings don't reveal the talent situation. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Well, then I guess Bama's #1 class wont win them more NC's in the future eh? Why is Bama so dominant? BECAUSE THEY GET ALL THE HIGH 4 AND 5* RECRUITS!!