Jaguars to L.A.?

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Sure, their fans can be lazy, but Jacksonville's fan base is pretty pathetic. If I were the Jags owner I would high tail it out of there, and move out west. Jacksonville would then be in the NFC West, and St. Louis would move to the AFC South.
 
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It's a matter of time before their owner moves the team to LA and collects a billion dollar payoff for the franchise location. Jacksonville is too small to support a team, especially when they suck every year due to bad management and coaching.
 
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Yep, it's looking like it will happen to me. The only time the Gator Bowl is sold out is the Florida/Georgia game. Even when the Jags have been good, they didn't sell out.

Personally it's the only one I can see moving. Sure there are other candidates, but I really don't see the Chargers leaving San Diego or the Niners leaving San Francisco; both of those are really longshots to me.

The NFL wants a team in LA bad and the Jags seem like the team to go. I personally hope they change the nickname and all, I kind of don't like it when teams move and keep their names and all.
 
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I don't think that Jacksonville is too small to support a team, but when you consider that the Panthers, Falcons, Bucs and Dolphins all encroach on thier geographic area it's bound to be tough. In some ways, I think that Jacksonville is much like Nashville where most of the people who now live there come from somewhere else and they have their old football alliegances from wherever they hail from. Those sorts of folks will root for the home team but they are really quick to jump off the bandwagon if the team is struggling. I know plenty of people around here who will give you the line about "I cheer for the Titans unless they are playing ______". In fact, I am one of those people.
 
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Nothing's going to happen until LA builds a new stadium and since California is essentially bankrupt, that's not likely to happen soon.
 
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Not to mention that if a team in LA sucks, the seats will be empty just as quick as any small market team.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't think that Jacksonville is too small to support a team, but when you consider that the Panthers, Falcons, Bucs and Dolphins all encroach on thier geographic area it's bound to be tough. In some ways, I think that Jacksonville is much like Nashville where most of the people who now live there come from somewhere else and they have their old football alliegances from wherever they hail from. Those sorts of folks will root for the home team but they are really quick to jump off the bandwagon if the team is struggling. I know plenty of people around here who will give you the line about "I cheer for the Titans unless they are playing ______". In fact, I am one of those people.
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The titans though - while they do have middle tn - also (somewhat surprisingly) have a pretty strong foothold in alabama, kentucky, mississippi and I believe part of arkansas

Course a big difference too being they sell out their homegames also and don't get blacked out. However they do pretty well in this in mid tn and surrounding areas and southeast tn. Memphis area has some problems due to their past issues with nashville and the whole supposed to get an nfl team thing and there's still the sizable followed manning to the nfl crowd that came a year or two before, but I'd say this states also done a pretty good job of adopting this nfl team.


As for jax, they most likely will be the ones to move to LA, but it will be a few more years before that; and then another few before they switch up alignment because of it
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I sometimes wonder how much the PSL thing plays into the sellouts. There usually are not very many single game tickets available when they open the window each year so they obviously sell out based mostly on season ticket sales. Do people lose their PSL if they do not renew?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I sometimes wonder how much the PSL thing plays into the sellouts. There usually are not very many single game tickets available when they open the window each year so they obviously sell out based mostly on season ticket sales. Do people lose their PSL if they do not renew?
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I know with Washington they certainly do.
 
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The problem with Jacksonville primarily is location. They're in a city that is dominated by college football. Just to the north they have the Falcons, just to the south they have the Dolphins, and just to the slight south and west they have the Buccaneers. Jacksonville's not a small city, over 700,000 residents which is bigger than both Nashville and Memphis. Difference is, think about Nashville. There isn't another NFL franchise anywhere close to there, Vanderbilt sucks, so throw that idea out of the equation. And the Titans might not be the Cowboys, but they aren't exactly doormats of the NFL either. They've been a playoff team 6 of the 11 years they've been here, well 13 years if you include the those couple of infamous Tennessee Oilers years, but still, that isn't a bad product. Plus, they went to the superbowl their first year as the Titans in the new stadium. As I said, the Titans might not be the Cowboys or Steelers, but they've built themselves a respectable little fanbase. In fact it kind of shocked me when i read an article that said the Titans have sold out every single game including preseason since LP Field opened back in '99 and the ticket waiting list is a pretty long one.

So, i really don't think it's the fact that Jacksonville is a small market that's keeping them from selling out. It's the lack of consistency within the organization (sucky product). And they're in one of the worst locations you could possibly be in if your trying to build a respectable fanbase. And even so, is L.A. really that better of an option? I mean they did once upon a time, have 2 NFL teams. And neither one could sell out either. I really don't see the NFL's obsession with LA. The market may be great, but hey, the definition of insanity=doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Just saying.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Just to the north they have the Falcons
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"Just to the North" is probably 5 hrs+ away. Atlanta is a heck of a lot closer to Nashville than it is to Jacksonville. Jacksonville to Miami or Atlanta is roughly equivalent to Nashville to Cincy or Indianapolis.
 
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Still agree with the idea that they look the most likely to move to LA...

Although if the Rams continue to suck, maybe they end up floundering enough to move back.

LA needs a worthy stadium before anybody is coming back though. The Rose Bowl and Coliseum are both dumps.
 
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GAVol said:
"Just to the North" is probably 5 hrs+ away. Atlanta is a heck of a lot closer to Nashville than it is to Jacksonville. Jacksonville to Miami or Atlanta is roughly equivalent to Nashville to Cincy or Indianapolis.
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Well Cincy and Indy are both 2 states away, So it seems a lot farther. I mean for example, I don't know hardly any Bengal fans here, in fact i'm not sure if i've ever met a bengals fan. I know a few colts fans, but that's mainly just because of the manning connection. However, i used to live in St. Augustine, just south of Jacksonville, and there were plenty of Dolphin fans, Buccaneer fans, Jaguar fans, and a little less frequent Falcon fans in that one city alone. There was by no means an overwhelming favored team, and St. Augustine is only an hour away from Jacksonville. Well, halfway between Jacksonville and Daytona Beach, which would probably make it closer to an hour and a half. But here, it isn't like that, you have the few transplanted fans that have migrated from other places. Then you have the bandwaggon jumpers(Most Colts and Steelers fans). Other than that, i know for a fact that here in West Tennessee, the Titans are an overwhelming favorite, and i'm sure it's the same in Middle Tennessee, not sure about East, i'm not over there very often.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Well Cincy and Indy are both 2 states away, So it seems a lot farther. I mean for example, I don't know hardly any Bengal fans here, in fact i'm not sure if i've ever met a bengals fan. I know a few colts fans, but that's mainly just because of the manning connection. However, i used to live in St. Augustine, just south of Jacksonville, and there were plenty of Dolphin fans, Buccaneer fans, Jaguar fans, and a little less frequent Falcon fans in that one city alone. There was by no means an overwhelming favored team, and St. Augustine is only an hour away from Jacksonville. Well, halfway between Jacksonville and Daytona Beach, which would probably make it closer to an hour and a half. But here, it isn't like that, you have the few transplanted fans that have migrated from other places. Then you have the bandwaggon jumpers(Most Colts and Steelers fans). Other than that, i know for a fact that here in West Tennessee, the Titans are an overwhelming favorite, and i'm sure it's the same in Middle Tennessee, not sure about East, i'm not over there very often.
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really? I thought memphis was still bitter about the not getting an NFL team thing

as for the east, i know they're pretty big in the southeast part of the state
 
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orangepridenation said:
The problem with Jacksonville primarily is location. They're in a city that is dominated by college football. Just to the north they have the Falcons, just to the south they have the Dolphins, and just to the slight south and west they have the Buccaneers. Jacksonville's not a small city, over 700,000 residents which is bigger than both Nashville and Memphis. Difference is, think about Nashville. There isn't another NFL franchise anywhere close to there, Vanderbilt sucks, so throw that idea out of the equation. And the Titans might not be the Cowboys, but they aren't exactly doormats of the NFL either. They've been a playoff team 6 of the 11 years they've been here, well 13 years if you include the those couple of infamous Tennessee Oilers years, but still, that isn't a bad product. Plus, they went to the superbowl their first year as the Titans in the new stadium. As I said, the Titans might not be the Cowboys or Steelers, but they've built themselves a respectable little fanbase. In fact it kind of shocked me when i read an article that said the Titans have sold out every single game including preseason since LP Field opened back in '99 and the ticket waiting list is a pretty long one.

So, i really don't think it's the fact that Jacksonville is a small market that's keeping them from selling out. It's the lack of consistency within the organization (sucky product). And they're in one of the worst locations you could possibly be in if your trying to build a respectable fanbase. And even so, is L.A. really that better of an option? I mean they did once upon a time, have 2 NFL teams. And neither one could sell out either. I really don't see the NFL's obsession with LA. The market may be great, but hey, the definition of insanity=doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Just saying.
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well another thing to note about the titans is that - while small market - they have made a pretty big grip on the area: TN, they're into KY, for some reason very much in AL and i think parts of MS and AR; but yeah part of the reason they were in TN where they were is to spread out fanbase and get the areas that dont already have teams

and it's not so much jax being a sucky product or inconsistant, it's the problem of them not drawing fans and keeping games from blacking out - whether they've been good or bad; they've always had trouble drawing in the local area

the comparison i guess i can best make is despite how bad the arizona cardinals or detroit lions had been consistantly, they kept selling tickets and brought in the fans (the titans bad 3 or 4 win seasons even had sellouts following).

As far as LA, it's a big market they want to hit. Yeah i do agree though that it's not necessarily the best option - they twice havent held onto NFL teams well, they have more of a rep as being great initially with teams, but it is an NBA first city. Goodell's also very much about business so i really would not be surprised to see him trying to establish that market again...
 
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milohimself said:
Still agree with the idea that they look the most likely to move to LA...

Although if the Rams continue to suck, maybe they end up floundering enough to move back.

LA needs a worthy stadium before anybody is coming back though. The Rose Bowl and Coliseum are both dumps.
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oh believe me, a team agrees to come there and they'd easily build another stadium

The Rams are a different issue, they're pretty deeply engrained in the city since the super bowl win - even with the bad seasons. they still sell very well and really - if they have blackouts (which they don't nearly as much as the jags recently have), they don't come till the end of the season. Stadium fills pretty regularly too; believe me, i've had to watch their games each week for 3 years :banghead2:
 
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TrueOrange said:
really? I thought memphis was still bitter about the not getting an NFL team thing

as for the east, i know they're pretty big in the southeast part of the state
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Oh yea, i see plenty of Titans Jerseys and bumper stickers in and around memphis(my dad lives there). Memphis can't support their NBA team(they sell out like 3 games a year, no joke), or their college football team. And they couldn't fill the liberty bowl while the oilers were here. and when they did, it was usually for opposing teams' fans. Memphis shouldn't be complaining about anything.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Oh yea, i see plenty of Titans Jerseys and bumper stickers in and around memphis(my dad lives there). Memphis can't support their NBA team(they sell out like 3 games a year, no joke), or their college football team. And they couldn't fill the liberty bowl while the oilers were here. and when they did, it was usually for opposing teams' fans. Memphis shouldn't be complaining about anything.
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Well, that part was on purpose. The NFL had like for 8 or 9 years kept saying they'd give Memphis an NFL team each expansion, and then gave it to another city.

So of course one going to nashville upset them very much, and they really didn't want any part in a team that they felt were playing 2 "pity seasons" in memphis just to leave in a season or two and go somewhere else; so as such, they didn't support at the time what they were calling Nashville's team
 
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TrueOrange said:
Well, that part was on purpose. The NFL had like for 8 or 9 years kept saying they'd give Memphis an NFL team each expansion, and then gave it to another city.

So of course one going to nashville upset them very much, and they really didn't want any part in a team that they felt were playing 2 "pity seasons" in memphis just to leave in a season or two and go somewhere else; so as such, they didn't support at the time what they were calling Nashville's team
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I am from Memphis and only have lived in Middle Tenn a few years and when I was there people did not even talk about the Titans or the NFL much. Memphis is a basketball city. I would bet there are more Steelers fans there than any other team. The talk show topics are as followed an pretty much in this order. UM basketball, Grizzlies, Ole Miss, UT.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I am from Memphis and only have lived in Middle Tenn a few years and when I was there people did not even talk about the Titans or the NFL much. Memphis is a basketball city. I would bet there are more Steelers fans there than any other team. The talk show topics are as followed an pretty much in this order. UM basketball, Grizzlies, Ole Miss, UT.
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I'm surprised that one's second, I've heard they have trouble with all that

yeah but there was a deal of upset/annoyance after the oilers had announced they were moving to nashville in like 97 was it?

But memphis had tried in 76 to get an NFL expansion team - which they gave to Seattle and Tampa. They expanded the stadium again in the 80s but were turned down (actually they took the NFL to court in 83). They tried to get an NFL team again in 93, but were turned down; they made it in the final 5 cities, but the expansion teams were given to Jacksonville and Carolina. (Teams were given to the other 2 cities as well). Then when Nashville made it's first attempt to get an NFL team, they got Houston and the city felt cheated (since they had tried so many times)

Memphis had alot of bitterness towards both Nashville and the NFL b/c of this and that turned into the low attendances at games; they didnt want a team that was going to be gone in two years. Part of all that was why Adams moved the Oilers up a year early to play at Vandy instead even though the main stadium wasnt done

I know there was alot of bitterness about it initially in like 97, 98, 99 or so; I'm curious though about how much it's died down 10 years later
 
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TrueOrange said:
I'm surprised that one's second, I've heard they have trouble with all that

yeah but there was a deal of upset/annoyance after the oilers had announced they were moving to nashville in like 97 was it?

But memphis had tried in 76 to get an NFL expansion team - which they gave to Seattle and Tampa. They expanded the stadium again in the 80s but were turned down (actually they took the NFL to court in 83). They tried to get an NFL team again in 93, but were turned down; they made it in the final 5 cities, but the expansion teams were given to Jacksonville and Carolina. (Teams were given to the other 2 cities as well). Then when Nashville made it's first attempt to get an NFL team, they got Houston and the city felt cheated (since they had tried so many times)

Memphis had alot of bitterness towards both Nashville and the NFL b/c of this and that turned into the low attendances at games; they didnt want a team that was going to be gone in two years. Part of all that was why Adams moved the Oilers up a year early to play at Vandy instead even though the main stadium wasnt done

I know there was alot of bitterness about it initially in like 97, 98, 99 or so; I'm curious though about how much it's died down 10 years later
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There is not much support for the Grizzlies as far as attendance, but they sell a good amount of merchandise and sports talk is heavy with Grizzlies talk, as much as the Titans are talked about here.

I am not sure how much the bitterness has went away, most in that city just don't even talk NFL, it's just not brought up.
 
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