Jarnell getting love from ESPN

[OrangeinmyVeins]

Espn is currently doing a NCAA Draft (Live chat: 2012 College Hoops Draft - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN) and one of the analysts just selected him at #12 overall. After the pick was made other analysts seemed quite upset he was taken off of the board.

 

[SlyStone]

Enjoy this season of Jarnell. Hard pressed to see him return with money on the table waiting.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Enjoy this season of Jarnell. Hard pressed to see him return with money on the table waiting.

What money is it that you see waiting on him?

 

[volinseattle]

What money is it that you see waiting on him?

1 million dollars - YouTube

 

[Daloth]

I thought the butthurt from fans was the funniest.

 

[VegasBaby!]

What money is it that you see waiting on him?

NBA Rookie Salary Scale - First Round (by Pick and season)

Pick 2012-13 Season 2013-14 Season 2014-15 Season
1 $4,286,900.00 $4,479,800.00 $4,672,700.00
2 $3,835,600.00 $4,008,200.00 $4,180,800.00
3 $3,444,400.00 $3,599,400.00 $3,754,400.00
4 $3,105,500.00 $3,245,200.00 $3,385,000.00
5 $2,812,200.00 $2,938,700.00 $3,065,300.00
6 $2,554,200.00 $2,669,100.00 $2,784,100.00
7 $2,331,700.00 $2,436,600.00 $2,541,600.00
8 $2,136,100.00 $2,232,200.00 $2,328,300.00
9 $1,963,600.00 $2,052,000.00 $2,140,300.00
10 $1,865,300.00 $1,949,200.00 $2,033,200.00
11 $1,772,100.00 $1,851,800.00 $1,931,600.00
12 $1,683,500.00 $1,759,300.00 $1,835,000.00
13 $1,599,300.00 $1,671,300.00 $1,743,200.00
14 $1,519,400.00 $1,587,800.00 $1,656,100.00
15 $1,443,300.00 $1,508,200.00 $1,573,200.00
16 $1,371,200.00 $1,432,900.00 $1,494,600.00
17 $1,302,600.00 $1,361,200.00 $1,419,800.00
18 $1,237,500.00 $1,293,200.00 $1,348,900.00
19 $1,181,800.00 $1,235,000.00 $1,288,200.00
20 $1,134,500.00 $1,185,600.00 $1,236,600.00
21 $1,089,100.00 $1,138,100.00 $1,187,100.00
22 $1,045,600.00 $1,092,700.00 $1,139,700.00
23 $1,003,800.00 $1,049,000.00 $1,094,100.00
24 $963,600.00 $1,007,000.00 $1,050,300.00
25 $925,100.00 $966,700.00 $1,008,400.00
26 $894,400.00 $934,600.00 $974,900.00
27 $868,600.00 $907,700.00 $946,800.00
28 $863,300.00 $902,100.00 $941,000.00
29 $857,000.00 $895,600.00 $934,100.00
30 $850,800.00 $889,100.00 $927,400.00

 

[bleedingTNorange]

^ And right now he's projected as #53 in the most recent mock draft...what's the 23rd pick in round 2 guaranteed?

 

[Stoked]

^ And right now he's projected as #53 in the most recent mock draft...what's the 23rd pick in round 2 guaranteed?

Nada.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Nada.

My point exactly. Saying it'll be hard to turn down money on the table implies that there is money on the table...

I love Jarnell more than anyone, but if the draft was tomorrow, Jarnell would be a 2nd round pick...hard to see him leaving for a 2nd round guarantee.

 

[Stoked]

I don't know about that BTO. I still think he would go in the late 20's.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don't know about that BTO. I still think he would go in the late 20's.

Some of the more reliable mocks...

Draft express updated November 1st: undrafted...they have him Round 2 Pick 4 in 2014

NBA draft net updated October 25: undrafted...they have him Round 1 Pick 28 in 2014

CBS sports updated November 6: Round 2 Pick 23

ESPN updated April 15: Round 2 Pick 18

 

[cncchris33]

My point exactly. Saying it'll be hard to turn down money on the table implies that there is money on the table...

I love Jarnell more than anyone, but if the draft was tomorrow, Jarnell would be a 2nd round pick...hard to see him leaving for a 2nd round guarantee.

The problem with this line of thinking is the draft isn't tomorrow. We are expecting him to have an All-SEC type season. That is only going to enhance his draft stock. Tyrus Thomas parlayed one really good season into a top-3 pick. Not saying Jarnell goes top-3, but a meteoric rise into certainly the first round and possibly lottery isn't outside the realm of possibility.

I, for one, am planning as if he won't be here, and will be pleasantly surprised if he stays. I half hope I'm wrong.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The problem with this line of thinking is the draft isn't tomorrow. We are expecting him to have an All-SEC type season. That is only going to enhance his draft stock. Tyrus Thomas parlayed one really good season into a top-3 pick. Not saying Jarnell goes top-3, but a meteoric rise into certainly the first round and possibly lottery isn't outside the realm of possibility.

I, for one, am planning as if he won't be here, and will be pleasantly surprised if he stays. I half hope I'm wrong.

Depends on what kind of season you are envisioning...some people on here are predicting 22/12 numbers...I'm not seeing that.

I see Jarnell putting up 14/8 type of numbers, and I dont see those numbers jumping off the charts to move him from late 2nd round to Top 15 guarantee.

If he was a freak athletically, or was a couple inches taller, it'd change alot...but the only way Jarnell sees his stock have a "meteoric rise" is if he puts up MONSTER numbers.

I've said it before, Jarnell is a Sullinger/Blair type of player, minus the big time numbers those guys put up, rebounding machine Blair was and the outside shot Sully possessed. Yet neither of those guys went top 20, and both were better prospects than Stokes.

 

[cncchris33]

Depends on what kind of season you are envisioning...some people on here are predicting 22/12 numbers...I'm not seeing that.

I see Jarnell putting up 14/8 type of numbers, and I dont see those numbers jumping off the charts to move him from late 2nd round to Top 15 guarantee.

If he was a freak athletically, or was a couple inches taller, it'd change alot...but the only way Jarnell sees his stock have a "meteoric rise" is if he puts up MONSTER numbers.

I've said it before, Jarnell is a Sullinger/Blair type of player, minus the big time numbers those guys put up, rebounding machine Blair was and the outside shot Sully possessed. Yet neither of those guys went top 20, and both were better prospects than Stokes.

To be fair, Sullinger was a top-10 pick if he left after his first season. Back injury concerns contributed to his slip in the draft.

I agree about Stokes' size being an issue, but I don't think numbers are going to have much bearing on his status because they aren't going to tell the whole story. Rebounds/pg, and FG% are the only numbers scouts are going to pay much attention to because the scoring statistics are all relative.

Stokes was a rebounding machine as a freshman, while still being out of shape and not having much practice or game experience going back to the end of his junior season of HS. He avg 7.4 rpg last year, and he did it all on natural ability and instinct. With a year in a collegiate strength program, proper coaching and technique, controlling his weight and diet, I think he becomes even better.

Offensively, he avg a shade under 10 ppg on 53% shooting. He's an excellent passer as well.

I see him putting up 16 ppg and 9 rpg myself if he can stay out of foul trouble, and those may be ever so slightly conservative based on long Maymon is out.

 

[ranradVOL]

Depends on what kind of season you are envisioning...some people on here are predicting 22/12 numbers...I'm not seeing that.

I see Jarnell putting up 14/8 type of numbers, and I dont see those numbers jumping off the charts to move him from late 2nd round to Top 15 guarantee.

If he was a freak athletically, or was a couple inches taller, it'd change alot...but the only way Jarnell sees his stock have a "meteoric rise" is if he puts up MONSTER numbers.

I've said it before, Jarnell is a Sullinger/Blair type of player, minus the big time numbers those guys put up, rebounding machine Blair was and the outside shot Sully possessed. Yet neither of those guys went top 20, and both were better prospects than Stokes.

Didn't you say in another thread that Jarnell should average a double double? It may have been someone else. If he doesn't average 10 Rebs, especially with Jeronne missing time, then our defense is giving up too many buckets therefore not allowing for rebound opportunities. < IMO

 

[bleedingTNorange]

To be fair, Sullinger was a top-10 pick if he left after his first season. Back injury concerns contributed to his slip in the draft.

I agree about Stokes' size being an issue, but I don't think numbers are going to have much bearing on his status because they aren't going to tell the whole story. Rebounds/pg, and FG% are the only numbers scouts are going to pay much attention to because the scoring statistics are all relative.

Stokes was a rebounding machine as a freshman, while still being out of shape and not having much practice or game experience going back to the end of his junior season of HS. He avg 7.4 rpg last year, and he did it all on natural ability and instinct. With a year in a collegiate strength program, proper coaching and technique, controlling his weight and diet, I think he becomes even better.

Offensively, he avg a shade under 10 ppg on 53% shooting. He's an excellent passer as well.

I see him putting up 16 ppg and 9 rpg myself if he can stay out of foul trouble, and those may be ever so slightly conservative based on long Maymon is out.

16/9 with a high fg% will put him into the first round, how high is TBD.

You mention Sully as a freshman....he averaged 17 and 10 and showed an ability to hit the 3 ball. I don't see stokes averaging those numbers, or showing a perimeter shot, so a comparison to Sully as a freshman isn't exactly equal.

It'll just depend on how this season goes for stokes...but unless he's averaging 15+ 10+ with a high fg% and showing an ability to hit the three ball...I don't see him getting a 1st round promise.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Didn't you say in another thread that Jarnell should average a double double? It may have been someone else. If he doesn't average 10 Rebs, especially with Jeronne missing time, then our defense is giving up too many buckets therefore not allowing for rebound opportunities. < IMO

I may have said should, but I don't think I predicted it...with his size he should or is capable of, I'm just not thinking it happened. Dmontre Edwards is a big time rebounder as a wing, trae and josh are good rebounders for guards, so that takes some opportunities away for Jarnell.

I could see him averaging a double double early on, but when Maymon returns those numbers drop slightly...

Don't get me wrong, i hope he averages 25/15 and is the Naismith player of the year, I'm just giving my opinion.

 

[ranradVOL]

I may have said should, but I don't think I predicted it...with his size he should or is capable of, I'm just not thinking it happened. Dmontre Edwards is a big time rebounder as a wing, trae and josh are good rebounders for guards, so that takes some opportunities away for Jarnell.

I could see him averaging a double double early on, but when Maymon returns those numbers drop slightly...

Don't get me wrong, i hope he averages 25/15 and is the Naismith player of the year, I'm just giving my opinion.

I got ya. Pretty much the way I feel. I feel pretty confident that he can/will average 10 rebs. as far as points, they just need to feed him the ball more. He should be getting the ball on the block every possession. Whether he shoots or not, he has to touch the ball.

GBO

 

[MemphisCanes]

Late first rounder.

 

[zansdad]

Depends on what kind of season you are envisioning...some people on here are predicting 22/12 numbers...I'm not seeing that.

I think your numbers are right if Maymon does make it back quickly. However, if this thing with Maymon lingers on into February, then Stokes will probably have to have something in the 20/10 range for UT to be successful. Someone is going to have to replace Maymon's production, and I think Stokes will get the opportunity to shoulder as much of it as he can. If he can't, then someone in the front court(Q, Hall, Yemi, ???) is going to have to take a huge step forward offensively.

 

[cncchris33]

16/9 with a high fg% will put him into the first round, how high is TBD.

You mention Sully as a freshman....he averaged 17 and 10 and showed an ability to hit the 3 ball. I don't see stokes averaging those numbers, or showing a perimeter shot, so a comparison to Sully as a freshman isn't exactly equal.

It'll just depend on how this season goes for stokes...but unless he's averaging 15+ 10+ with a high fg% and showing an ability to hit the three ball...I don't see him getting a 1st round promise.

Actually, you brought up Sullinger and detailed how he fell in the draft. I didn't intend, nor do I think I made a comparison between him and Stokes. I was simply pointing out that Sullinger's size wasn't nearly as much a factor for his draft slide as the back injury concerns and he would have been a top-10 pick the year before had he chose to leave.

As for Sullinger's 17 & 10 avgs as a freshman; I think Stokes is somewhere in the 16 & 9 range and admitted those numbers may be conservative based on Maymon's situation. So, my numbers are not far off from the kind of production that lands you solidly in the first round. Now, you don't have to agree that Stokes will average anything near those numbers, but I see them as very attainable.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Actually, you brought up Sullinger and detailed how he fell in the draft. I didn't intend, nor do I think I made a comparison between him and Stokes. I was simply pointing out that Sullinger's size wasn't nearly as much a factor for his draft slide as the back injury concerns and he would have been a top-10 pick the year before had he chose to leave.

As for Sullinger's 17 & 10 avgs as a freshman; I think Stokes is somewhere in the 16 & 9 range and admitted those numbers may be conservative based on Maymon's situation. So, my numbers are not far off from the kind of production that lands you solidly in the first round. Now, you don't have to agree that Stokes will average anything near those numbers, but I see them as very attainable.

I agreed if he goes 16 & 9 I said he's a first rounder, how high is hard to project, but i feel comfortable saying first round.

Sully had the three point shot, if Jarnell shows that part of his game then that'll help him rise as well.

And yes that's where we differ, I don't think he averages those numbers for us, too many other options IMO. However, if Maymon I'd done for the year, those numbers may be very close to accurate.