Jenny Moshak Retiring Early

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wow,i hate to see her leave,she is really good at what she does


Jenny Moshak retiring from UT over 'issues of equality' » Knoxville News Sentinel


“Due to the overall atmosphere since I raised issues of equality at the University of Tennessee and given the university’s unwillingness to address the issues of discrimination and retaliation, I cannot continue my association with the university’s athletic department,” Moshak said in the statement.


sounds like some turmoil is going on,makes you wonder what Hart has been up to behind closed doors,because there is no doubt that Jenny Moshak loves the Lady Vols and it must be really bad for her to do what she has done,I just hope that Hart doesn't screw up a legendary program,I haven't been sold on him since he got here
 
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Haven't been sold on Hartless either. But in this case it is on Moshak, like several in Pat's old guard. Greed and ego. Equality of pay of course. But when you have a limited number of athletes compared to others in the same occupation and your line of business makes less money than others - you simply do not have the right to as much or more money. It is not a union with seniority involved in the UTAD. A better course of action would have been to be content with the excellent comp package you have while being associated with one of the premier programs in women's basketball. But that was asking too much.
 
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Vols4us said:
Haven't been sold on Hartless either. But in this case it is on Moshak, like several in Pat's old guard. Greed and ego. Equality of pay of course. But when you have a limited number of athletes compared to others in the same occupation and your line of business makes less money than others - you simply do not have the right to as much or more money. It is not a union with seniority involved in the UTAD. A better course of action would have been to be content with the excellent comp package you have while being associated with one of the premier programs in women's basketball. But that was asking too much.
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Greed is exactly the problem. It's about market value, and there is just not as much market value for a position that requires 1/3 of the attention and workload as the same position in the men's department. She did a fine job, she's just totally clueless as to why she in no way deserved to be payed equally in this case. She was payed what her position was worth. Period.
 
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volanatic said:
Greed is exactly the problem. It's about market value, and there is just not as much market value for a position that requires 1/3 of the attention and workload as the same position in the men's department. She did a fine job, she's just totally clueless as to why she in no way deserved to be payed equally in this case. She was payed what her position was worth. Period.
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Unfortunately, there's much more to this than whether she made the same salary or not. Eventually, the University raised her salary to that of McVeighs, or at least that's my understanding.

It will either get interesting now, or it will go away.
 
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volanatic said:
Greed is exactly the problem. It's about market value, and there is just not as much market value for a position that requires 1/3 of the attention and workload as the same position in the men's department. She did a fine job, she's just totally clueless as to why she in no way deserved to be payed equally in this case. She was payed what her position was worth. Period.
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Maybe she thinks Dooley was over paid and does not see why the wealth is not spread around more...just a conjecture.
 
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governmentmule said:
wow,i hate to see her leave,she is really good at what she does


Jenny Moshak retiring from UT over 'issues of equality' » Knoxville News Sentinel


“Due to the overall atmosphere since I raised issues of equality at the University of Tennessee and given the university’s unwillingness to address the issues of discrimination and retaliation, I cannot continue my association with the university’s athletic department,” Moshak said in the statement.


sounds like some turmoil is going on,makes you wonder what Hart has been up to behind closed doors,because there is no doubt that Jenny Moshak loves the Lady Vols and it must be really bad for her to do what she has done,I just hope that Hart doesn't screw up a legendary program,I haven't been sold on him since he got here
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Hart is not a Tennessee man I will never trust him. You would think with 300,000 alumni we could find a UT grad for our athletic dept. makes no sense.
 
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MY $0.02

I don't know a damn thing about Ms. Moshak other than the fact that Pat Summitt hired her & trusted her. Unfortunately, Pat is gone.

Others have claimed that she is the best in the country. I guess we'll find out? I heard Phil was a great coach and his arse is still looking for a job....
 
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gule said:
MY $0.02

I don't know a damn thing about Ms. Moshak other than the fact that Pat Summitt hired her & trusted her. Unfortunately, Pat is gone.

Others have claimed that she is the best in the country. I guess we'll find out? I heard Phil was a great coach and his arse is still looking for a job....
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Claiming Moshak is the best in the country is silly. How does one prove such a statement? Impossible. Parker is always used as an example. How does one compare Parker's injury with any other shoulder injury? Perhaps her's was not severe. Why were there so many Lady Vol injuries last year? Why didn't the medical staff fix those?

I'm not putting her down. I have no way of knowing where she stands in skill against the hundreds of other trainers.

Regarding the law suit. I have no idea who is right. I wasn't there to witness any incidents that might have occurred. And, when a court decision is rendered, we still won't know who was right. Too much politics in this case.

I do know making over $100k is a pretty darn good salary, particularly in Tennessee, where the average income is lower than almost any other state.

I can't imagine suing your employer and continuing to work there. In many States, it's illegal to sue your employer. You have to quit, then sue.
 
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There really isn't a true market for her services. Most women's programs are money losers and they only exist because the political decision has been made to force them into being. Any discussion on what Moshak should be paid is thus a completely political one. The same applies to many men's programs, just to a lesser extent since there is one less layer of compulsion in their establishment.

It's kind of like if the government mandated that every school should have a team of midget acrobats. What would the midget coach be worth? The demand for them would be completely artificial. Yeah, there can be a scarcity of midgets and their coaches so the price will vary, but it is still skewed by the fact that the demand is not real. When you get that far unmoored from any economic reality then you are just talking politics.

So the long and the short of it is that Moshak's worth is whatever the politicians and lawyers decide it is. It has no basis in reality outside of that because a free market does not exist for her services. We can postulate what the price would be if one did exist, but that would be a waste of time. Which pretty much sums up this discussion.
 
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Voluble2 said:
There really isn't a true market for her services. Most women's programs are money losers and they only exist because the political decision has been made to force them into being. Any discussion on what Moshak should be paid is thus a completely political one. The same applies to many men's programs, just to a lesser extent since there is one less layer of compulsion in their establishment.

It's kind of like if the government mandated that every school should have a team of midget acrobats. What would the midget coach be worth? The demand for them would be completely artificial. Yeah, there can be a scarcity of midgets and their coaches so the price will vary, but it is still skewed by the fact that the demand is not real. When you get that far unmoored from any economic reality then you are just talking politics.

So the long and the short of it is that Moshak's worth is whatever the politicians and lawyers decide it is. It has no basis in reality outside of that because a free market does not exist for her services. We can postulate what the price would be if one did exist, but that would be a waste of time. Which pretty much sums up this discussion.
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Your entire premise is wrong, in that there is a free market for her services at many schools. She can find a job if she desires.
 
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In other words, were UT the only school interested in her services it would be a controlled market. However, there are many other schools and maybe even other athletic programs out there, and her credentials are pretty good.
 
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AllforTenn said:
In other words, were UT the only school interested in her services it would be a controlled market. However, there are many other schools and maybe even other athletic programs out there, and her credentials are pretty good.
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As with many long term employees who are favored by their boss (in this case Pat for most of her career), Jenny was working at an above market value salary. Once you quit or are fired, you are competing with other highly skilled candidates who are willing to work for much less.

Also, Jenny is now damaged goods on the employment market, having sued her employer. Most employers will not risk hiring such a person.

Yet, there may be someone out there sympathetic with her plight and will hire her. Who knows? It's so political.
 
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AllforTenn said:
In other words, were UT the only school interested in her services it would be a controlled market. However, there are many other schools and maybe even other athletic programs out there, and her credentials are pretty good.
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You don't get it. This "market" you speak of is manufactured, its not real.
 
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Headfootballcoach said:
About time. I knew Hart would find a way to push her out. Now she can go work elsewhere and sue them.
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I think she realizes she made a big mistake and wants to move on. She knows it would be a waste of time and money to seek further legal action. I am not sure recruited these ladies to rebel when they had no chance of changing anything. Jenny is very talented and her expertise will be missed.
 
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did anyone(besides me) read the article by Moshak on Swishappeal.com? It's a basketball site but slants heavily to the "you know what" lifestyle... :(


Terrible article or just terribly presented? I think presented!
 
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