Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation"

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volsforever27

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I watched this the other night and found it interesting. While I haven't read the book, some of the things discussed in this interview bring Obama into a whole new light, and quite franky are exactly what his (Obama's) critics have been saying for some time. I know that watching anything from Fox News may burn some of your retina's, but I think it's worthwhile. I'll reserve judgement until I read the book.

And before anyone says this is just a typical conservative hit piece, Corsi is very critical of Bush and the Iraq War... and that may be putting it mildly. I'm curious to see everyone's reactions after watching the clips.

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volsforever27 said:
I watched this the other night and found it interesting. While I haven't read the book, some of the things discussed in this interview bring Obama into a whole new light, and quite franky are exactly what his (Obama's) critics have been saying for some time. I know that watching anything from Fox News may burn some of your retina's, but I think it's worthwhile. I'll reserve judgement until I read the book.

And before anyone says this is just a typical conservative hit piece, Corsi is very critical of Bush and the Iraq War... and that may be putting it mildly. I'm curious to see everyone's reactions after watching the clips.

Sean Hannity | Alan Colmes | Hannity & Colmes - FOXNews.com

Watch the two vids on the main page.
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This is a typical conservative hit job, written by the same man who wrote that book about John Kerry with the Swift Boat Veterans.
 
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emainvol said:
This is a typical conservative hit job, written by the same man who wrote that book about John Kerry with the Swift Boat Veterans.
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And what he wrote in that book has never been disproved.
 
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Corsi is a great investigator. He brought the NAU into the light and slowed it down somewhat. I hadn't heard of the NAFTA superhighway until I listened to Corsi.
 
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saxvol said:
And what he wrote in that book has never been disproved.
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Entirely possible, but he is also a man who has been accused of plagiarism by a fellow conservative author, Debbie Schlussel.

He said in the course of that interview that Obama's abortion stance included something along the lines of killing a child after it had been born, which is completely inaccurate.
 
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saxvol said:
And what he wrote in that book has never been disproved.
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I gotta be honest, the more I think about your claim the less I believe it. I have never read the book or researched, but there were plenty of charges of inconsistencies in the SBV's claims from reputable sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC News, etc. As they say, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
 
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emainvol said:
I gotta be honest, the more I think about your claim the less I believe it. I have never read the book or researched, but there were plenty of charges of inconsistencies in the SBV's claims from reputable sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC News, etc. As they say, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
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That set of sources is the least reputable crowd you could have listed vis a vis political commentary.

The SBV guys fit the category of where there's smoke there's fire theory. They've not been disproven, except for small inconsistencies in immaterial details. However, Kerry's tales from his days, especially on his flag burning tours, have proven 'a tad' imbellished. He threw his fellow soldiers under the bus and they jack slapped him back when the opportunity presented itself.
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emainvol said:
This is a typical conservative hit job, written by the same man who wrote that book about John Kerry with the Swift Boat Veterans.
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It's not a conservative hit job. Read some of his interviews about the Iraq war. And he clearly stated the book wasn't pro-Bush as it was anti-Kerry. Whether you think he's credibile or not, the guy is no Bush fan, and actually I disagree with some of his stances on Iran.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
That set of sources is the least reputable crowd you could have listed vis a vis political commentary.

The SBV guys fit the category of where there's smoke there's fire theory. They've not been disproven, except for small inconsistencies in immaterial details. However, Kerry's tales from his days, especially on his flag burning tours, have proven 'a tad' imbellished. He threw his fellow soldiers under the bus and they jack slapped him back when the opportunity presented itself.
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What about the veterans who actually served with Kerry who said that a lot of this stuff is crap?

As for my sources not being reputable, who am I supposed to believe, World Net Daily and that group of neocons that took over the National Review?
 
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volsforever27 said:
It's not a conservative hit job. Read some of his interviews about the Iraq war. And he clearly stated the book wasn't pro-Bush as it was anti-Kerry. Whether you think he's credibile or not, the guy is no Bush fan, and actually I disagree with some of his stances on Iran.
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You don't have to be a Bush fan to be a conservative. Aside from the plagiarism and the inaccuracies in the Kerry book, the fact that he aligns himself with Jim Gilchrist is enough to turn me off to anything he might have to say
 
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emainvol said:
What about the veterans who actually served with Kerry who said that a lot of this stuff is crap?

As for my sources not being reputable, who am I supposed to believe, World Net Daily and that group of neocons that took over the National Review?
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Nah, The daily Kos, right? Huffington Post?
 
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emainvol said:
You don't have to be a Bush fan to be a conservative.
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No where did I say that. Learn a little more about him. just because he didn't like Kerry doesn't make him a conservative either. It makes him scared of socialists.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Nah, The daily Kos, right? Huffington Post?
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I listed the New York Times, Washington Post, and ABC News.
Yes, I am a member of the dailykos, but it has nothing to do with this. Furthermore, the vast majority of recommended bloggers on the kos are miles ahead of the crap the World Net Daily, not just because I align with them, but because they actually attempt to do research.
 
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volsforever27 said:
No where did I say that. Learn a little more about him. just because he didn't like Kerry doesn't make him a conservative either. It makes him scared of socialists.
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You know I don't have a problem with you, and I am not trying to put words in your mouth, but Corsi is a right wing activist, and there is really no debate.
 
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emainvol said:
You don't have to be a Bush fan to be a conservative. Aside from the plagiarism and the inaccuracies in the Kerry book, the fact that he aligns himself with Jim Gilchrist is enough to turn me off to anything he might have to say
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and yet you seem to have a problem when we point out that Obama has aligned himself with people like Wright, Meeks, Ayers, Pflager, etc. If you're going to discount people for the company they keep, at least be consistent.
 
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MG1968 said:
and yet you seem to have a problem when we point out that Obama has aligned himself with people like Wright, Meeks, Ayers, Pflager, etc. If you're going to discount people for the company they keep, at least be consistent.
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So, people can throw crap that someone wrote about Obama at me when the author in question consorts with a man who is a neo-Nazi and has more or less called for violence against illegal immigrants

These people can discount Obama because he has aligned himself with three men who have said some things that I have never defended and one man who has done things in his past that I have never defended.

In all this it is unacceptable and hypocritical for me to discount a book that was written by the same guy, but it isn't for them to discount Obama?
 
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where do you get that Gilchrist is a neo-Nazi? The testimony of a disgruntled volunteer who claimed that skinheads were working in phone banks during Gilchrist's congressional run?
 
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MG1968 said:
where do you get that Gilchrist is a neo-Nazi? The testimony of a disgruntled volunteer who claimed that skinheads were working in phone banks during Gilchrist's congressional run?
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Actually I meant to say that differently. Gilchrist isn't a neo-Nazi, but you nailed what I was talking about.
 
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emainvol said:
Entirely possible, but he is also a man who has been accused of plagiarism by a fellow conservative author, Debbie Schlussel.

He said in the course of that interview that Obama's abortion stance included something along the lines of killing a child after it had been born, which is completely inaccurate.
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Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother's right to "choose" stopped at her baby's delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing. So in a way...
 
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I would encourage everyone to read said article: Barack Obama Lost Years by Stan Kurtz, from the Weekly Standard. Its very long, and in depth, take what you want from it.
 
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emainvol said:
I gotta be honest, the more I think about your claim the less I believe it. I have never read the book or researched, but there were plenty of charges of inconsistencies in the SBV's claims from reputable sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC News, etc. As they say, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
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So are you saying that since Obama has associated with terrorists and racists that he too would share those beliefs, like Ayers, Wright? Remember where there is smoke there's fire!
 
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