JGR Busted Again

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Burhead

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I posted this in the JGR but thought it might need its own thread. Every single car had an illegal oil pan on the cars, the illegal pans weigh in 20-30lbs and the normal pans weigh in at 4. I would say this drastic difference might be open to bigger penalties...
 
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Darby said that most likely no points will be taken. It still seems like a big deal to me.
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Darby said that most likely no points will be taken. It still seems like a big deal to me.
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Agreed.

If NASCAR as a sanctioning body was ever consistent in rulings I would have heart attack. The only thing they are consistent in is being inconsistent.
 
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Burhead said:
Agreed.

If NASCAR as a sanctioning body was ever consistent in rulings I would have heart attack. The only thing they are consistent in is being inconsistent.
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Yep. They'd only make a real example of an insignificant team.
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Burhead said:
I posted this in the JGR but thought it might need its own thread. Every single car had an illegal oil pan on the cars, the illegal pans weigh in 20-30lbs and the normal pans weigh in at 4. I would say this drastic difference might be open to bigger penalties...
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do you mean 40 lbs?

because i'm confused as to why this would be an issue if they want to use heavier pans.

why do they have to weigh 40 lbs.? just let them run the lightest possible pan. this is such a stupid thing to get in trouble for, and in return, a stupid thing to punish somebody for.
 
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doozer said:
do you mean 40 lbs?

because i'm confused as to why this would be an issue if they want to use heavier pans.

why do they have to weigh 40 lbs.? just let them run the lightest possible pan. this is such a stupid thing to get in trouble for, and in return, a stupid thing to punish somebody for.
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But a bigger issue ultimately might be weight. While a standard NASCAR Sprint Cup oil pan weighs about 4 pounds, the three taken off the Gibbs cars weighed an estimated 20-30 pounds apiece. Competitors contacted by SPEED.com and FOXSports.com said the heavy oil pans would allow the teams to remove weight elsewhere in the car and put it low and on the front of the car, which could provide a handling advantage, perhaps a substantial one.
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NASCAR - CUP: Gibbs Cars Caught With Wrong Oil Pans
 
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if the car is within the weight specifications, what does it matter where it's located?

it's bad enough the cars are differentiated only by whatever stickers are on them, why turn the Sprint Cup into IROC?
 
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The article says the weight isn't the issue for disallowing, it was for not submitting the pans for approval.
 
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MG1968 said:
if the car is within the weight specifications, what does it matter where it's located?

it's bad enough the cars are differentiated only by whatever stickers are on them, why turn the Sprint Cup into IROC?
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I don't think that is the issue, the issue is that they were not legally approved parts by NASCAR. Apparently since they were caught in inspection there will be no points docked (which is idiotic) from the teams. If they had ran the race with them and NASCAR found them after the race than that is when points would have been docked. What I don't understand is, why doesn't NASCAR still not take points? They still planned on cheating and brought illegal parts to the track so the plan was for them to use them.
 
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Burhead said:
I don't think that is the issue, the issue is that they were not legally approved parts by NASCAR. Apparently since they were caught in inspection there will be no points docked (which is idiotic) from the teams. If they had ran the race with them and NASCAR found them after the race than that is when points would have been docked. What I don't understand is, why doesn't NASCAR still not take points? They still planned on cheating and brought illegal parts to the track so the plan was for them to use them.
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They probably aren't taking points away because they took the unapproved competitive advantage away first. Had they found them in post race they would take the points, but they took care of the problem in a pre practice inspection, so there is no need to take points that they will now earn legally.
 
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DynamiteMcGhee said:
They probably aren't taking points away because they took the unapproved competitive advantage away first. Had they found them in post race they would take the points, but they took care of the problem in a pre practice inspection, so there is no need to take points that they will now earn legally.
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That's how it was explained I believe. Since the pans weren't run in a competitive format (qualifying or race) but in practice, there won't be any points penalties. There may be a fine though.

Has NASCAR penalized a team for using illegal parts before qualifying or race during a weekend before? If so, they should penalize JGR. I'm trying to remember the deal a few years back with Waltrip and jet fuel that they penalized him for. They penalized him points because I remember it being at Daytona and him having to start the season in the negative in points, but I can't remember if he had qualified before it was found. NASCAR definately needs to be more consistent with there calls.
 
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I found it. The first round of qualifying had taken place when they found the illegal fuel additive on Waltrip's car. They penalized him 100 driver points.

So since qualifying hadn't taken place when the pans on the JGR cars were found, I can see why they haven't penalized points. NASCAR is at least consistent in these two instances.
 
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I would expect a heavy fine since all three teams were guilty and Busch has been ruled illegal two times in five days.
 
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Personally, I give JGR kudos for the innovative thinking. I think NASCAR has taken away too much room for innovation to occur.
 
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rbroyles said:
Personally, I give JGR kudos for the innovative thinking. I think NASCAR has taken away too much room for innovation to occur.
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It's the balance of trying to keep "poor" teams competitive vs innovation.

Personally, I wish the US had at least one F1 style series where $ talk and innovative design is rewarded. Tony George killed that at Indy (last vestige in the US) shortly after Penske brought those Mercedes built engines to the race.

The new Dallara packages for IRL might help a bit.
 
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