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'Boro-vol said:
The homerun hire pays for himself overnight in attendance, concessions, and season ticket sales.

Somebody ran the rough numbers earlier in this thread based on our declining attendance numbers. The financial impact was staggering.

Paying the splash hire makes perfect financial sense.

As a matter of fact, as much as the rest of the athletic programs rely on football revenue, its financial success is imperative.
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I agree, but I know how stingy things can be on the Hill so there will be a war amongst the boosters and Hart I'm afraid and may be occurring now. Like I said earlier we are in for a very interesting off season no matter what. That I do know.
 
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OCIVol said:
Let me start by saying, I am a supporter of the Vols. Some may think of me as a sunshine pumper or pro-Dooley because I support Dooley and the Vols. I'm not sure that label is fair. That being said, I will support whoever is our head coach. Currently, I support Dooley and hope he succeeds. Dooley has rebuilt our roster and our scholarship numbers are close to 85. We also have NFL talent on the offensive side of the ball (still lacking on defense). Dooley inherited a horrible situation and should be commended for cleaning things up after the Fulmer-Kiffin transition. We are a much better football team now than we were two years ago.

With that being said, Dooley needs to win one of the next three games (if not more). I have talked privately with Montrell, and we are hearing the same thing re: Gruden. Money is not an issue. Gruden is ready to get back into coaching and wants to coach at the collegiate level. The University of Tennessee is a job that not only intrigues him, but it is a job he would take.

I would hope that peoples' thirst for Gruden would not result in them cheering against Dooley and the Vols. If we can go 8-4 or 9-3 this year, we will land an excellent recruiting class and continue to head in the right direction. On the other hand, if we could get Gruden, there may be potential for much more.

My final take, I hope we do not get Gruden because I hope Dooley succeeds this year and in the future at UT. Only time will tell.
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I'm in a similar position. I really thought Dooley WAS going to turn the corner this year...with all the offensive talent we have, and now have size and depth on the DL.

However, I now feel that he set himself up for failure with the hiring of Sunseri and switching to a 3/4 defense. He knew he didn't have the time for that, and hiring a career position coach was a terribly risky move. Hiring Randy Shannon, Everett Withers, or Tyrone Nix would've been a safer, smarter move.

Thinking that a co-position coach under Saban is suddenly ready to step up to DC and salvage your career is what will prove to be Dooley's undoing...just as Cutcliffe's departure from Fulmer's staff did (so hard up for a HC gig, that he jumped on the first thing that moved). Clawson may have turned out to be a good OC, but Fulmer didn't have time to find that out.

Both should have gone for a more proven commodity. If Dooley is sent packing, I hope Hart has learned this lesson. He must hire a PROVEN COMMODITY....to drive the money-maker for the whole AD.

No more sipping on the Saban Sauce. Kirby Smart may be a good DC (although Saban is likely pulling the strings there), but that does not make him a PROVEN COMMODITY. To me, it would be:
1) Gruden
2a) Strong
2b) Gary Patterson

...or just keep Dooley for another season.
 
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...still can't get my head around Gruden being a proven commodity with no collegiate experience but may better minds than mine prevail.
 
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MedicT said:
...still can't get my head around Gruden being a proven commodity with no collegiate experience but may better minds than mine prevail.
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Well he does have experience at the college level. He did start his career here. I know , not as a head coach. Just take the thread for what it is. You have an opinion. We get it. You don't have to keep telling us. I do think if he was hired , many here would change their tune. Bottom line he would have to prove himself here just like everyone else...and I believe he would. Does that make me right and you wrong? No. Just all opinions and speculation. Isn't that what message boards are for?
 
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I'm curious if anybody on this board knows the Haslams.
Here's what my scenario is looking like:
Haslam - hey gruden. I can get you a job easy in the NFL or College football.
Gruden- what teams?
Haslam - the browns or the vols. But Cleveland seems to be doing alright and I'm not sure if I should fire the coach. Now, Dooley is slipping and we all know that.
So either way.. You should follow my lead. :)
 
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MedicT said:
Oh? An 8/4 Gruden trumps an 8/4 Dooley? How smart would that be considering we would have to empty the coffers to get him? Especially on an untested SEC coach. Don't hand me the BS about a SB ring. Coach Fulmer has a NC ring and that wasn't good enough.
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It's all relative. With Dooley, we have NO confidence...nothing at all to hang our hat on, to say "he's going to get it turned around."

With Gruden, you have plenty of credentials and reasons to feel good about UT's future. Not only because he'd widely be considered by most recruits as a Splash hire, but there is a very real possibility that he could get much of his "band back together"...on his staff.

His brother Jay may very well make the lateral move to OC, to not only help his brother hit the ground running, but would likely get a shot at HC'ing sooner than he would in the NFL ranks.

Rahim Morris might be Jon's DC...and with those, I am pretty sure Saban, Miles, Richt, and Spurrier will be saying to themselves..."Ohhhhh Chit!"

Why? Cause they know UT will be the (proverbial) new Hot Chick at school...in recruiting circles.
 
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"Well he does have experience at the college level. He did start his career here. I know , not as a head coach. Just take the thread for what it is. You have an opinion. We get it. You don't have to keep telling us. I do think if he was hired , many here would change their tune. Bottom line he would have to prove himself here just like everyone else...and I believe he would. Does that make me right and you wrong? No. Just all opinions and speculation. Isn't that what message boards are for?"


Hey I meant no argument. At the same time, there is no "perfect coach" and I give my opinion contrary to many that are head over heals for Gruden. No I am not absolutely certain that I am right and yes that is what discussion boards are for. It seems there is very little discussion on here if someone dare disagree with Gruden being the savior of UT's football program.
 
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MedicT said:
Hey I meant no argument. At the same time, there is no "perfect coach" and I give my opinion contrary to many that are head over heals for Gruden. No I am not absolutely certain that I am right and yes that is what discussion boards are for. It seems there is very little discussion on here if someone dare disagree with Gruden being the savior of UT's football program.
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Nah. Disagree all you want. Just most of us already know what you think by now. Most of these people in this thread are respectful. I just see no reason to get personal at times. I've seen that with most of the people who don't agree with that opinion.
 
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MedicT said:
If Gruden comes here he starts next season 1/4 and the entire "hang the coach" routine starts again. 3/2 into a 12 game season with the losses to FL and UGA where we had the lead at one point in both and you want Dooley gone? With a third year SEC coach?
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Nobody was hanging Dooley in his first year, with a record like that...not even year 2. So, enough with that damn nonsense. Ain't gonna fly here.

Dooley had no credentials to even commend himself as a HC at La Tech, much less as a HC for a premiere SEC program. THAT is why he is given less time to turn it around than a proven HC.
 
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OK, I'll lay out my problem with Gruden if you are interested, otherwise simply disregard. Gruden, while certainly having strong NFL credentials, is unproven at a college level and there is a huge difference in succeeding between them. If we were to hire him, and IF the rebuilding road were not to be as smooth as some suggest, then would he hang around to finish the job or jump ship back to the NFL before his "stock" or contract potential fell? I question if it would be a wise hire, given we would have to pay a record price to get him, with the risks I have mentioned. Usually no one on here wants to discuss anything remotely anti Gruden to UT++Victory 2013. When I see that kind of closed minded attitude it always throws up a flag and I usually step into the fray. No harm intended.
 
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Blackmarket803 said:
A Gruden-coached Tyler Bray would be terrifiying imo.
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To be honest, I think this is one reason why Gruden would take the job THIS time around, when he would not have done so previously. He heaped a lot of praise on Bray in the interview he gave during UT's coaching camp. And with the WR talent on board, as well as what is coming in + a 5* RB like D. Green leaning toward this program...it has to be a much more attractive prospect than 2-3yrs ago.
 
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