Jose Canseco's new book "Vindicated"

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What's everyones opinion of Jose Canseco's two books?

Think he is telling the truth about steroids and baseball? Or passing off a bunch of half-truths in order to sell books? Or mostly a little bit of both.
 
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Both but Jose sees an opportunity to make money and I cant blame him. He has published some work that has obviously been proven to be at least some what true about some of those people he mentioned. His has been status has changed slightly and he is being mentioned again. I think he feeds off that and as long as people will listen, he'll keep it up. I think it's Busch League to a point, but so is cheating baseball. From loser reality shows, to this? C'mon? He must of gambled all his earnings off at the track and is running short on $.
 
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What I find funny is that steroids helped baseball become more popular, see Mc Guire. Now baseball is starting to suffer from a backlash because of steroids. baseball is a great game though I am just not into it. Baseball as a whole has been less than forthcoming about this issue and in my opinion will do what they can to conceal the scope of the steroid issue.
 
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I dont know if I'd agree with you on your statement abour basebal attempting to conceal it anymore. There was obviously a period in which I think, many turned the other way, and it happened. I do think that now that it has been dubbed an era in which records will be looked at and scrutinized more heavily, baseball officials are far more pro active in it's players drug use. There are many things about Seilig that I cant stand, but I think the people that advise him have made it a point of concern thus, forcing the issue much more than years past.

The larger scope of users, and or general spectrum of players that we have endeared, I believe has been unvieled. Dont look for anymore "Roger Clemens" discoveries. What will be left now will be, imo, meaningless nomadic players will batting averages around the Mendoza line, or pitchers that live out of suitcases. The big names are out there, and I dont forsee any startling additions. Besides, the era has been tainted, we all assume that these guys were using. Court of Public Opinon has condemed (sp) them already.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I dont know if I'd agree with you on your statement abour basebal attempting to conceal it anymore. There was obviously a period in which I think, many turned the other way, and it happened. I do think that now that it has been dubbed an era in which records will be looked at and scrutinized more heavily, baseball officials are far more pro active in it's players drug use. There are many things about Seilig that I cant stand, but I think the people that advise him have made it a point of concern thus, forcing the issue much more than years past.

The larger scope of users, and or general spectrum of players that we have endeared, I believe has been unvieled. Dont look for anymore "Roger Clemens" discoveries. What will be left now will be, imo, meaningless nomadic players will batting averages around the Mendoza line, or pitchers that live out of suitcases. The big names are out there, and I dont forsee any startling additions. Besides, the era has been tainted, we all assume that these guys were using. Court of Public Opinon has condemed (sp) them already.
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I agree with you to a point. With all the bad pub baseball has had over the past five years it has forced the issue. Baseball can't afford much more bad pub at this point. Those players who are not heroes or household names are the players most likely to use imo. They are the ones who might not be blessed athletically who would need a little bit of an edge. I think this issue goes much deeper than we think.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree with you to a point. With all the bad pub baseball has had over the past five years it has forced the issue. Baseball can't afford much more bad pub at this point. Those players who are not heroes or household names are the players most likely to use imo. They are the ones who might not be blessed athletically who would need a little bit of an edge. I think this issue goes much deeper than we think.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I think if we knew "everything" we'd turn it off completely and refuse to support it. Instead, you have to know that the powers that be sat in a room and decided, allright, here's what we got, we're going to take a pretty big hit, but can we do any damage control? They a letting us see much more than they probablly intended, however, the "tip" of this "iceberge" is about as big as Yankee Stadium anyway. I choose to be a huge fan of the game still. It is the only Professional Sport I watch constantly. From Spring Training, to Game 7, I'm a fan.
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TXVOL I understand your loyalty to the sport. Just out of curiosity what would it take for you to become so fed up with it you would reluctantly stop watching? How deep do you think this issue might go and what effect do you think it will have on the future of the game? I have to say that I think this problem extends way beyond baseball and into sports that we normally wouldn't associate with steroids.
 
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For me to quit watching, to be honest....another PLayer's Strike. At this point, nothing chaps me more than the amount of money these guys pull down and some of their egocentristic views. Guys in AAA making "demands" sickens me. The steriods issue, as far as I'm concerned, is an issue that exsisted in a time where both sides of the ball were sketchy. Pitchers juiced, batters juiced, it happened. I also look at it from this angle and I wont use dates because my research is limited.

It seems to me that back when McGuire weighed 100lbs and looked like a shortstop, MLB did not test ofr all these modern substances. MLB did not and therefore many of these substances were deemed "legal" as far as the players were concerned.

I'll use Canseco as an example. Remember when he and Mac played for the A's? Skinny, hit a ton, hit for average, ran well. Then remember when he started to beef up and went on a sluggers nomadic quest for the highest bidder? Back when he was a twig, he was using I think. He was developing his body THEN. He acheived a goal and shut it all down once testing began.

Use and use and use, and then when they test for it stop. Its like this:

A kid is home schooled for his entire life up to his Senior year. He use HGH, STERIODS, crack whatever.....he's juicing big time. He shuts it down 9 months before school starts. Attends public school for his senior year, waits till spring, trys out for the Baseball team.

Did he cheat? UIL does not test Home Schoolers. He didnt get all jacked up from free weights in the back yard, and hauling hay on the farm....

Is that fair?
 
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