Juco offensive line

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With the depth issue and appearance so far on talent should we try and go the juco route again on the offensive line?
Also I just wonder if u will not see some shuffling on the offensive line throughout the year. Espically at center?

Other than that I believe the rest of the team has been much improved on talent level.
 
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the 2015 recruiting class if pretty full I doubt there will be much room for more than 1 JUCO lineman. With that being said this will be a long season and you never know how the current O-line will perform.
 
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Sometimes JUCOs work, sometimes they don't. Blair looked like a can't miss... but so far he's been a miss.

Our o-line should improve over the course of the year. They are still pretty green.
 
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Well we already have 4 OL committed for next year and are in on a couple more. Im guessing we just keep developing the young guys.
 
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Mallicoat said:
With the depth issue and appearance so far on talent should we try and go the juco route again on the offensive line?
Also I just wonder if u will not see some shuffling on the offensive line throughout the year. Espically at center?
Other than that I believe the rest of the team has been much improved on talent level.
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Our center position is solid for this year and next. Crowder is very smart makes all the right calls. He started last year in the win aganist usce. Believe your wrong on your assessment.
 
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Build your OL line through HS... It pays off in the long run. We are in this mess because of the gaps in recruiting with Dooley and its no secret. Jones has said it will take this class and 2016 to get back to SEC level on the OL... We took no OL in 2012 and 2013 we took 3 and all 3 are really interior with Sanders, Weisman and Kendrick. Weisman was a late addition to the 2013 class. Its not good, but this is where we are at.
 
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It just takes time for a olines to come together and be on the same page. I have been coaching zone blocking/middle school football for years and we have a base system and when we bring in new lineman it takes awhile for things to click and thats what we are seeing here.
You know they dont get to scrimmage or have jamborees in CFB so they have to learn through the season.
 
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I don't think we'll take or get one but I believe we damn sure could use a seasoned juco olineman or two if we want to fast track our success. Doesn't mean that guy exists though as Blair serves as testimony that juco is a crap shoot.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
Our center position is solid for this year and next. Crowder is very smart makes all the right calls. He started last year in the win aganist usce. Believe your wrong on your assessment.
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Yes but crowders big time out of shape, alot of bad weight, he and jackson are the weak links in the line
 
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I wouldn't. UT has two true Fr making contributions this year. One was a 3* and the other a 4*. Kendrick is starting as a RS Fr after being a 5.5 3* out of HS. He's playing ahead of the top rated JUCO LT in the '14 class.

There are just no guarantees that JUCO OL's in this day and age are going to come in with a big head start on the mental or even physical part of the game.

IMO, after the foundation of talent is laid, Jones will avoid JUCO's for the most part. Gilliam and Pair are the only two Sr's listed on UT's OL roster. Gilliam might be eligible for a medical RS if he wants one. Pair has never contributed.

UT is starting 3 RS Jrs, a RS Fr, and a true Fr. There have been and will be some growing pains... but they should pay some good dividends as this season progresses and into next year.
 
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lovavol said:
Yes but crowders big time out of shape, alot of bad weight, he and jackson are the weak links in the line
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That just is NOT true. FYI - 1st Game Crowder had the FLU, 2nd Game Jackson had the FLU. In case you didn't know. Both were sick and still played awesome.
 
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lovavol said:
Yes but crowders big time out of shape, alot of bad weight, he and jackson are the weak links in the line
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The left side of the line gets no push whatsoever. Up the middle and on the right is where our strength really is. Hopefully they can get it turned around in the next few weeks. MJ gets blown up fairly often, I know they will do better.
 
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We had 4 NFL linemen on last years team. I doubt we will top that level of talent in the coming years. I think they need to get more focused on how they want to run the football. Running a zone read without a mobile QB does not make any sense.
 
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lovavol said:
Yes but crowders big time out of shape, alot of bad weight, he and jackson are the weak links in the line
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and how do you come to say Crowder is out of shape.You do know that he has been in the system for two years now.Your thinking is way out of line.
 
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Mallicoat said:
With the depth issue and appearance so far on talent should we try and go the juco route again on the offensive line?
Also I just wonder if u will not see some shuffling on the offensive line throughout the year. Espically at center?

Other than that I believe the rest of the team has been much improved on talent level.
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The current group of OL will be stronger and more experienced next season, and more comfortable with what the man next to them is doing.
 
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hitUMinGUT said:
That just is NOT true. FYI - 1st Game Crowder had the FLU, 2nd Game Jackson had the FLU. In case you didn't know. Both were sick and still played awesome.
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I feel for anyone with flu in that heat Saturday..
 
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With the WR talent, a zone read, nor a zone option make much sense. I made a comment in another thread about run action and guess who ran it last night? Peyton.

They were in a spread formation wit the RB kicked out to the left of PM in the shotgun. Peyton gets the snap the RB pretends to be staying in blocking, PM pump fakes and then hands off. 10 yard gain. Why?

PM is no threat to run. However, he is a threat to pass and just that little half second look to pass caused the safeties and LBs to drop into pass protection.

But guess what, The Broncos are having a hard time running the ball and were heavily criticized by the pundits this morning. Why? The spread formation make it hard to get those tough yards. When the Broncos were in a place where they needed short yardage late in the game, they couldn't get it, and let the Colts back in the game.

In the SEC you need to be able to get 3 or 4 yards pounding the ball inside. Almost every knowledgeable D coordinator wants to make the opponent one dimensional, and guess which dimension they want to take away first? Yep, the running game. That's been football 101 for a good while. Running the ball effectively requires what? A commitment to running the ball effectively. That means that scheme, teaching and play calling have to be geared towards this. I'm not convinced that's the case with this offense. Teams with lesser talent can and do manage to run the ball better.

As Columbo says, "Just one more thing." If the deep ball is connecting, then this is likely not as noticeable. UT has been horrid on connecting. They've had receivers open, but haven't been able to get timing down. The stats in the 1st game were 0-6 if I remember. CBJ likes to go vertical. It was a huge part of his offense at Cinnci. If Worley connects, he likely has two back to back 350+ yard passing games, and opponents are freaking out and over compensating to stop deep ball. Guess what? run game opens up. So, it may be just as critical for them to get the long ball worked out as getting tough yards inside. One feeds the other. Especially in this offense.
 
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Roustabout said:
With the WR talent, a zone read, nor a zone option make much sense. I made a comment in another thread about run action and guess who ran it last night? Peyton.

They were in a spread formation wit the RB kicked out to the left of PM in the shotgun. Peyton gets the snap the RB pretends to be staying in blocking, PM pump fakes and then hands off. 10 yard gain. Why?

PM is no threat to run. However, he is a threat to pass and just that little half second look to pass caused the safeties and LBs to drop into pass protection.

But guess what, The Broncos are having a hard time running the ball and were heavily criticized by the pundits this morning. Why? The spread formation make it hard to get those tough yards. When the Broncos were in a place where they needed short yardage late in the game, they couldn't get it, and let the Colts back in the game.

In the SEC you need to be able to get 3 or 4 yards pounding the ball inside. Almost every knowledgeable D coordinator wants to make the opponent one dimensional, and guess which dimension they want to take away first? Yep, the running game. That's been football 101 for a good while. Running the ball effectively requires what? A commitment to running the ball effectively. That means that scheme, teaching and play calling have to be geared towards this. I'm not convinced that's the case with this offense. Teams with lesser talent can and do manage to run the ball better.

As Columbo says, "Just one more thing." If the deep ball is connecting, then this is likely not as noticeable. UT has been horrid on connecting. They've had receivers open, but haven't been able to get timing down. The stats in the 1st game were 0-6 if I remember. CBJ likes to go vertical. It was a huge part of his offense at Cinnci. If Worley connects, he likely has two back to back 350+ yard passing games, and opponents are freaking out and over compensating to stop deep ball. Guess what? run game opens up. So, it may be just as critical for them to get the long ball worked out as getting tough yards inside. One feeds the other. Especially in this offense.
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My ADD will need the cliff notes version.
 
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