June Jobs Report: Election implications

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18,000 jobs created. Reported unemployment rising to 9.2 %.

There is no way Obama can be elected unless this starts turning around very soon. He might as well not even be the democratic nomination.

No excuses. It will have been four years, and he would have failed on all of his promises, been wrong on all his job creation predictions. Jobs really are one of the few issues that really matter above all others. Gay marriage, abortion, even medicare-- who gives a **** if you can't pay your bills or give your family a decent life?

Anyone disagree on this being his downfall?
 
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18,000 jobs created. Reported unemployment rising to 9.2 %.

There is no way Obama can be elected unless this starts turning around very soon. He might as well not even be the democratic nomination.

No excuses. It will have been four years, and he would have failed on all of his promises, been wrong on all his job creation predictions. Jobs really are one of the few issues that really matter above all others. Gay marriage, abortion, even medicare-- who gives a **** if you can't pay or bills or give your family a decent life?

Anyone disagree on this being his downfall?

It doesn't look pretty. It will be hard to get the same voter turnout as last time since general enthusiasm is down even without even considering his poor record. But it kind of depends on what disastrous candidate the Republicans nominate.
 
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I'm willing to accept the possibility that some of the job losses were already in motion before he was sworn in. It's the lack of any leadership in recovering those jobs that I have issue with. He has told families to go buy hybrids when they complain about high gas prices. It's "let them eat cake" type crap.
 
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Nope i don't disagree at all. He's a one term president unless there is some kind of dramatic turn around. I don't see it happening, it's in too big of a mess. He should probably enjoy what little time he has left.

I'm very slow right now and it's July, has me worried a little. I'm usually pretty busy in the middle of summer, the fact i'm not worries the hell out of me. Next year being a election year it will probably be bad too.
 
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I'm willing to accept the possibility that some of the job losses were already in motion before he was sworn in. It's the lack of any leadership in recovering those jobs that I have issue with. He has told families to go buy hybrids when they complain about high gas prices. It's "let them eat cake" type crap.

Hasn't he been exactly who the naysayers said he would be? Having a sympathetic congress has hurt him badly. Hurt Bush as well.
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I'm willing to accept the possibility that some of the job losses were already in motion before he was sworn in. It's the lack of any leadership in recovering those jobs that I have issue with. He has told families to go buy hybrids when they complain about high gas prices. It's "let them eat cake" type crap.

It's a bit of a farce because so much of this is out of the President's control. There's no magical "create jobs" lever. My issue is the president thinks he can miraculously create jobs with the wave of his hand and the results have been wasteful.
 
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I'm giving him about a 50/50 shot.

You have to concede the fact that the Republican challengers suck. If the GOP had a decent candidate. Obama would be in a real tight spot. Why the hell won't the Republicans put out a decent candidate??
 
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Hasn't he been exactly who the naysayers said he would be? Having a sympathetic congress has hurt him badly. Hurt Bush as well.
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Depends on the naysayers. gsvol called him the antichrist more or less and has implied that he is part of an elaborate communist conspiracy to bring about a new government structure, while at the same time being part of an elaborate Islamo-fascist conspiracy to bring about a new world-wide Caliphate.

But yes, economically speaking, naysayers of his policies have been 100 % correct. Which isn't something you see very often.
 
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It's a bit of a farce because so much of this is out of the President's control. There's no magical "create jobs" lever. My issue is the president thinks he can miraculously create jobs with the wave of his hand and the results have been wasteful.

True. Democrat or Republican, being president right now would be miserable.
 
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I'm giving him about a 50/50 shot.

You have to concede the fact that the Republican challengers suck. If the GOP had a decent candidate. Obama would be in a real tight spot. Why the hell won't the Republicans put out a decent candidate??

As long as they don't put Bachmann or Palin up, we'll be upgrading at least.
 
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It's a bit of a farce because so much of this is out of the President's control. There's no magical "create jobs" lever. My issue is the president thinks he can miraculously create jobs with the wave of his hand and the results have been wasteful.

Well, that's what I am getting at. He has dug his own grave with plans and spending that hasn't done anything measurable.
 
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It's a bit of a farce because so much of this is out of the President's control. There's no magical "create jobs" lever. My issue is the president thinks he can miraculously create jobs with the wave of his hand and the results have been wasteful.

this.

the fed can control the economy. the president generally cannot. wasting a trillion $$$ to "save jobs" is the only reason why I can fault him for the current economy. i'd have a lot better belief in his economic policy if he didn't do that.
 
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It's just very clear he is all out of ideas after wasting trillions on bad ones.
 
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I'm giving him about a 50/50 shot.

You have to concede the fact that the Republican challengers suck. If the GOP had a decent candidate. Obama would be in a real tight spot. Why the hell won't the Republicans put out a decent candidate??

Because somebody with charm and good politics doesn't exist.
 
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this.

the fed can control the economy. the president generally cannot. wasting a trillion $$$ to "save jobs" is the only reason why I can fault him for the current economy. i'd have a lot better belief in his economic policy if he didn't do that.

Ya. I was of the belief that nothing could quickly turn around the economy. But Obama's wasteful attempts to do so are mind boggling.
 
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Ya. I was of the belief that nothing could quickly turn around the economy. But Obama's wasteful attempts to do so are mind bottling.

FYP.

Yeah. The way to create economic spark requires a bit of growing pains. It's not some easy turnaround. You have to cut spending and lower taxes.

BTW, I saw a poll that said 40% of Americans are in favor of cutting spending without raising taxes to solve our budget crisis. 4% are in favor of raising taxes without cutting spending. It doesn't seem like there is a lot of support for Obama's philosophy, anymore.
 
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Its not just the unemployment rate that is going to hurt Obama. And really, its not that its the unemployed who will vote against him.

Its that the high unemployment rate is a proxy for so much else. Its the uncertainty so many have for their own jobs. The lack of real wage growth and the fear of making a change. Its the anxiety of being upside down in a house.

Basically, everyone is tired of treading water.

A few times it has felt like we are just about ready to wake up and getting moving again. but then a bad jobs report, or a spike in gas prices, has everyone retreating again. The overriding sentiments out there, that I sense anyway, are fatigue and fear.

Unless things turn around -- and they could, certainly -- Obama is definitely in jeopardy.
 
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Again, someone help me understand this ridiculous idea of real wage growth.
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18,000 jobs created. Reported unemployment rising to 9.2 %.

There is no way Obama can be elected unless this starts turning around very soon. He might as well not even be the democratic nomination.

No excuses. It will have been four years, and he would have failed on all of his promises, been wrong on all his job creation predictions. Jobs really are one of the few issues that really matter above all others. Gay marriage, abortion, even medicare-- who gives a **** if you can't pay your bills or give your family a decent life?

Anyone disagree on this being his downfall?

It would be hard to.
If he turns out to be a one term, the economy/jobs/obamacare crisis will be the major factory in why. Short of having his name attached to OBL being dead not a lot to hang your hat on going into a re-election bid.

Of course, he could run on "Hope and Change". Problem is he would be campaigning against himself. He could set a new standard in politics with this.
 
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I'm tired of the current POTUS. I'm just worried our options for the next one will be just as/more underwhelming.
 

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