Kanye West

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By Kanye West, did you mean 2Pac? Kanye's first CD may go down as my fav ever but the last 3 or so....not so much
 
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His last three albums have full out sucked. Actually, MBDTF wasn't that bad, except the critics tried to claim it as something genius when it was an average album.

Kayne is nowhere near as talented as not only of the great rappers of the past, he's not even a top 10 rapper now. He's an incredibly gifted producer that can hold his own on the mic when he tries. He hasn't tried hard in terms of lyrics since Graduation.
 
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I can't stand Kanye. I've tried to understand the appeal, but I just don't get it.
 
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bamacheats said:
I can't stand Kanye. I've tried to understand the appeal, but I just don't get it.
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He's an incredible music producer. That is what he was before he began rapping. I'll even call him a genius in that department. His first three albums were good (I have them). He's always been an average rapper (decent flow, decent concepts, good voice, horrible composition of his raps, no conscious in them) but before he got caught up with Jay-Z he usually had some thoughts behind most of his songs. Then Jay-Z (as always) "influenced" him and ruined everything. Now he tries to make incredible bass heavy beats that are catchy as hell (and always does) and raps about pointless **** and horrible lyrics.

I'm pretty sure anything bad associated with rap can be attributed to Jay-Z.
 
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zjcvols said:
He's an incredible music producer. That is what he was before he began rapping. I'll even call him a genius in that department. His first three albums were good (I have them). He's always been an average rapper (decent flow, decent concepts, good voice, horrible composition of his raps, no conscious in them) but before he got caught up with Jay-Z he usually had some thoughts behind most of his songs. Then Jay-Z (as always) "influenced" him and ruined everything. Now he tries to make incredible bass heavy beats that are catchy as hell (and always does) and raps about pointless **** and horrible lyrics.

I'm pretty sure anything bad associated with rap can be attributed to Jay-Z.
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I would seriously dispute that. WTT had some pretty interesting and very intelligent subject matter, despite having the appearance of an album where Ye and Jay just rap about how much money and stuff they have (which is a very important tenet of the album, no doubt).
 
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KingNick865 said:
I would seriously dispute that. WTT had some pretty interesting and very intelligent subject matter, despite having the appearance of an album where Ye and Jay just rap about how much money and stuff they have (which is a very important tenet of the album, no doubt).
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In what, 1 or 2 songs?

I'll stand by my unpopular opinion that WTT was awful, sucked, and I couldn't stand it.

Of course, music is music and it's all subjective anyways.
 
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zjcvols said:
In what, 1 or 2 songs?

I'll stand by my unpopular opinion that WTT was awful, sucked, and I couldn't stand it.

Of course, music is music and it's all subjective anyways.
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What is wrong with the subject of wealth and decadence and the problems that come with it. There are also pointed criticisms of religion, American society, Kanye West's controversial (if not colorful past), and a very intelligent song ("New Day," probably my favorite song off of the album) about the world that they wish that their unborn children should have.

The album isn't perfect. It's not my favorite Ye album, but I find it to be a very listenable and very good album.
 
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KingNick865 said:
What is wrong with the subject of wealth and decadence and the problems that come with it. There are also pointed criticisms of religion, American society, Kanye West's controversial (if not colorful past), and a very intelligent song ("New Day," probably my favorite song off of the album) about the world that they wish that their unborn children should have.

The album isn't perfect. It's not my favorite Ye album, but I find it to be a very listenable and very good album.
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Just because they mention it for a sentence or two doesn't mean that song becomes an intelligent album.

Again, different music for different people. I stand by my belief it's not very good.

And again, Jay-Z ruins everything associated for rap.
 
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zjcvols said:
Just because they mention it for a sentence or two doesn't mean that song becomes an intelligent album.

Again, different music for different people. I stand by my belief it's not very good.

And again, Jay-Z ruins everything associated for rap.
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First sentence is where my disagreement is. The album's major component is wealth, but I find that there are a variety of subjects that do get dealt with in some detail or another.

I'm not going to try and change your music tastes. I probably don't like some of the music you do, and you probably don't like some of the music I do.

Meh, I'm not a huge fan of Jay-Z myself.
 
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KingNick865 said:
First sentence is where my disagreement is. The album's major component is wealth, but I find that there are a variety of subjects that do get dealt with in some detail or another.

I'm not going to try and change your music tastes. I probably don't like some of the music you do, and you probably don't like some of the music I do.

Meh, I'm not a huge fan of Jay-Z myself.
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You seem like a rap guy; I'd implore you to give Ab-Soul a listen.

It's incredible that the man who helped make rap mainstream and made it what it is today is basically the guy who ruined it too.
 
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zjcvols said:
You seem like a rap guy; I'd implore you to give Ab-Soul a listen.

It's incredible that the man who helped make rap mainstream and made it what it is today is basically the guy who ruined it too.
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I am a huge rap guy. It is by far my favorite form of music.

I'm not so sure that the "guy who ruined rap music" label belongs to Jay-Z, at least not as much at it seems. Part of the deterioration of rap music in the early-mid 2000's has to do with Biggie's death and the rise of Diddy/P. Diddy/Puff Daddy as his record label's main rapper. Part of it has to do with Lil Wayne's rise from being part of the Hot Boyz to being his own solo artist (although the original Carter album wasn't that bad).

However, most of it just has to do with the fact that rappers from the period of 2000-2007 just weren't as good as their 90's counterparts. I do believe though, that the music has gotten a lot better in the years from approximately 2008/2009 to the present day. That marks when a lot of the transition from the "gangsta rap" phase of hip hop, largely dominated by the likes of 50 Cent, transitioned to a more individualistic style where creativity and passion were of a higher priority and were able to break out into the mainstream.

Despite what I have just said though, there are a lot of exceptions to the rule.
 
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this might be considered a conspiracy theory. i'll always believe that sug night and p shady had something to do with tupac's and biggie's deaths.
 
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zjcvols said:
His last three albums have full out sucked. Actually, MBDTF wasn't that bad, except the critics tried to claim it as something genius when it was an average album.

Kayne is nowhere near as talented as not only of the great rappers of the past, he's not even a top 10 rapper now. He's an incredibly gifted producer that can hold his own on the mic when he tries. He hasn't tried hard in terms of lyrics since Graduation.
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Really? Graduation is his worst album. His most pop-album that was his attempt to make "stadium music" Of course, he did just that. But MBDTF is genius. In every aspect. Witty lyricism, with amazing production.

His best albums:
1. MBDTF
2. Late Registration
3. College Dropout
4. 808's and Heartbreaks
5. Graduation

Now, WTT wasn't his best work, but it was something different. Something Kanye has given to us in EACH of his albums. He is always bringing something different to the table! Not one album sounds alike! Even with his latest collaboration with his label "Cruel Summer"

I could point out great lyricism in MBDTF, it'd be so easy. From the opening song to the last. I can't believe you said his best lyrics came from "Graduation". Ehh to each his own.
 
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bentenn said:
By Kanye West, did you mean 2Pac? Kanye's first CD may go down as my fav ever but the last 3 or so....not so much
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Tupac's Discography is no where near Kanye's. Kanye has three classics arguably four.

1. MBDTF
2. LR
3. CD

--arguably 808's. People fail to realize how much 808's change modern day music across all genres. Kid cudi, drake? Yeah, their whole style is directly taken from 808s.
 
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zjcvols said:
He's an incredible music producer. That is what he was before he began rapping. I'll even call him a genius in that department. His first three albums were good (I have them). He's always been an average rapper (decent flow, decent concepts, good voice, horrible composition of his raps, no conscious in them) but before he got caught up with Jay-Z he usually had some thoughts behind most of his songs. Then Jay-Z (as always) "influenced" him and ruined everything. Now he tries to make incredible bass heavy beats that are catchy as hell (and always does) and raps about pointless **** and horrible lyrics.



I'm pretty sure anything bad associated with rap can be attributed to Jay-Z.
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You do realize that Jay-Z has influenced kanye's music since the very beginning right? :crazy: Listen to the song "Big Brother"
 
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and Kanye going to the trap beats braggadocios music, is just him doing something that he has never done before. Not one album of his sounds alike? Tupac's album are all similar.
 
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Sheezy said:
Tupac's Discography is no where near Kanye's. Kanye has three classics arguably four.

1. MBDTF
2. LR
3. CD

--arguably 808's. People fail to realize how much 808's change modern day music across all genres. Kid cudi, drake? Yeah, their whole style is directly taken from 808s.
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That connection makes sense, I hate Cudi, Drake, and 808s. Lol.
 
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kanye's first album was/is still my favorite. he's in my top 5 rappers of all time, but i miss the good ol' days when he brought common and talib in. his new stuff is still really good, but nothing will top that first high.
 
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Sheezy said:
Tupac's Discography is no where near Kanye's. Kanye has three classics arguably four.

1. MBDTF
2. LR
3. CD

--arguably 808's. People fail to realize how much 808's change modern day music across all genres. Kid cudi, drake? Yeah, their whole style is directly taken from 808s.
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I was kinda sorta jokin about 2Pac, but in my opinion, Fabolous has never out out a bad album, and his mixtapes are wayyyy better than his albums.
 
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