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Last year CJH tried to kick the ball to the 5 yard line and force the opponent to make a play, or mistake.
This year he's kicking through the end zone. I'm not a fan of spotting teams 25 % of the field. Yes I realize there's the threat to take one to the house, but I don't recall that as an issue last season.
 
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Kickoffs are fine. It's other mistakes the Vols make every week on special teams that lose valuable yardage. Every game, it's penalties on the return, penalties after the play is over, not catching a punt and letting it roll, and not recognizing that Legate lined up as a gunner on a punt, allowing Scarolina to get a huge first down on a fake punt.

These mistakes will end up costing the Vols a game if not cleaned up quickly.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
I think this is the first time we’ve had a kicker that could consistently kick it through the back of the end zone.

Any kick inside the 25 that is called a fair catch goes to the 25 anyway.

Why risk a big play?
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I realize that. All these guys think they can break it. They'll also make their fair share of mistakes
Why risk it? I don't recall Hype getting ask that last year. They managed to flip the field often.
Remember LSU
 
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Backwards K said:
Kickoffs are fine. It's other mistakes the Vols make every week on special teams that lose valuable yardage. Every game, it's penalties on the return, penalties after the play is over, not catching a punt and letting it roll, and not recognizing that Legate lined up as a gunner on a punt, allowing Scarolina to get a huge first down on a fake punt.

These mistakes will end up costing the Vols a game if not cleaned up quickly.
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Leggate is always their gunner. Plus the refs should have called offensive pass interference on that play. There was a clear pic/rub route
 
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Zues1 said:
Last year CJH tried to kick the ball to the 5 yard line and force the opponent to make a play, or mistake.
This year he's kicking through the end zone. I'm not a fan of spotting teams 25 % of the field. Yes I realize there's the threat to take one to the house, but I don't recall that as an issue last season.
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Our punter pinned them last night. I have no problem with kicking out if end zone on the kickoffs. GBO
 
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Zues1 said:
Last year CJH tried to kick the ball to the 5 yard line and force the opponent to make a play, or mistake.
This year he's kicking through the end zone. I'm not a fan of spotting teams 25 % of the field. Yes I realize there's the threat to take one to the house, but I don't recall that as an issue last season.
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Kickoffs are, I think, one of the highest injury plays in the game. College and pros would like to discourage kickoff returns to minimize injuries.

Moving up the kick off point has made it easier to put it in the end zone and moving up the touchback starting point has made it less attractive to bring it out of the end zone.

It's much safer for your kicking team to just put it in the end zone and for your receiving team to not try a run back. There are specific situations where a short kick might be the right move but that's the rarity now.
 
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Zues1 said:
Last year CJH tried to kick the ball to the 5 yard line and force the opponent to make a play, or mistake.
This year he's kicking through the end zone. I'm not a fan of spotting teams 25 % of the field. Yes I realize there's the threat to take one to the house, but I don't recall that as an issue last season.
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You do realize that most returned kicks go past the 25. I'll hangup and listen
 
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I'm perfectly fine letting the opposing team start off each possession at the 25. If we are behind in 2nd half and want to try to force a turnover, maybe kick it short and see if they will return it but otherwise, I have no issues with kicking the ball through the end zone.

On another note, Charles Campbell has really been an unsung consistent placekicker thus far in the season. Guy is solid. Jackson Ross must have had the jitters in the first couple of games because he has settled down on punting. Because he is unorthodox going right or left, there are possibilities for him to tuck it and run on a fake punt in the games ahead.
 
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Zues1 said:
Last year CJH tried to kick the ball to the 5 yard line and force the opponent to make a play, or mistake.
This year he's kicking through the end zone. I'm not a fan of spotting teams 25 % of the field. Yes I realize there's the threat to take one to the house, but I don't recall that as an issue last season.
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There's been a definite change from last year, and I agree---it worked last season, in terms of field position and scoring.

The question I'd love to ask: is this a change in philosophy... a change in the supporting statistical evidence (which could include injuries)... the change in kicker (his accuracy or hang time)... or a change in our cover team personnel?

Some VFL call that one in tomorrow.
 
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Zues1 said:
Last year CJH tried to kick the ball to the 5 yard line and force the opponent to make a play, or mistake.
This year he's kicking through the end zone. I'm not a fan of spotting teams 25 % of the field. Yes I realize there's the threat to take one to the house, but I don't recall that as an issue last season.
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I'll take a touchback with no threat of an injury/ an explosive return any day of the week. We play in the SEC where every team has at least a dozen players who grew up being a returner for their HS/middle school team. I mean, Dee Williams is only on the field as a returner. And despite the fact that we have incredible ball carriers at WR/RB, he's so explosive that he won the job. Over Wright, over squirrel, over Sampson, over Seldon. He has proven that he can take the kick the distance better than any of these guys who are also game changers with the ball in their hands. He also probably gets more specialized practice related to the return game than these other guys as well. Now, once you realize that every other team has one (or a handful) of these dudes returning kicks, touchbacks will start to make sense
 
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Zues1 said:
I realize that. All these guys think they can break it. They'll also make their fair share of mistakes
Why risk it? I don't recall Hype getting ask that last year. They managed to flip the field often.
Remember LSU
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man that was one kick out of 100 and the guy just botched the catch. Even if you try to kick it to the 5 you're going to give up a return to the 15-20 and that's with great coverage. So instead of the 25 they get it 5 yards back AND the risk for a much bigger runback. No thanks...give me through the end zone every time.
 
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FBtime said:
man that was one kick out of 100 and the guy just botched the catch. Even if you try to kick it to the 5 you're going to give up a return to the 15-20 and that's with great coverage. So instead of the 25 they get it 5 yards back AND the risk for a much bigger runback. No thanks...give me through the end zone every time.
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I know the odds, but that's what hype did last season.
Maybe CJH didn't know the odds then, lol.🤷
 
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Zues1 said:
I know the odds, but that's what hype did last season.
Maybe CJH didn't know the odds then, lol.🤷
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Or as has been speculated He didn’t have a kicker that could bang it through the end zone consistently like we do now.
 
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FBtime said:
Or as has been speculated He didn’t have a kicker that could bang it through the end zone consistently like we do now.
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Possible, but it sure came off as a game plan to me, and others.
Oh well, no bitchin just curious
 
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