Kiffin to Ole Miss

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Jaws said:
As I’ve said, he’s been streaky at FAU. That means some good, some bad. Overall, he’s 25-13 there. That’s not exactly amazing. His FAU team has lost to the likes of Buffalo, Middle Tennessee, La Tech, North Texas, Charlotte and Marshall. And he’s racked up wins against the likes of FIU, Wagner, West Kentucky and Old Dominion. There’s your facts.

So if you wanna call 25-13 at FAU an indicator that he’s a winner, and that 25-13 at FAU offsets the fact that he wrecked three different programs who are still trying to recover from his tenure, then go for it.
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Agreed
 
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Jaws said:
As I’ve said, he’s been streaky at FAU. That means some good, some bad. Overall, he’s 25-13 there. That’s not exactly amazing. His FAU team has lost to the likes of Buffalo, Middle Tennessee, La Tech, North Texas, Charlotte and Marshall. And he’s racked up wins against the likes of FIU, Wagner, West Kentucky and Old Dominion. There’s your facts.

So if you wanna call 25-13 at FAU an indicator that he’s a winner, and that 25-13 at FAU offsets the fact that he wrecked three different programs who are still trying to recover from his tenure, then go for it.
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FAU went 3-9 for 3 straight seasons before he arrived... that's 9-27. I can understand your point about his first 3 stops but this is just silly. Any team would take this type of turnaround.
 
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Jaws said:
Ok, again, why is Kiffin the guy? He was a horror show with the Raiders, 7-6 at UT, a sh!t show with USC, streaky and inconsistent at FAU.

Nothing about Kiffin’s history screams winner.
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His second year at USC, down a bunch of scholarships, was the best record they’ve had since Carroll
 
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Jaws said:
As I’ve said, he’s been streaky at FAU. That means some good, some bad. Overall, he’s 25-13 there. That’s not exactly amazing. His FAU team has lost to the likes of Buffalo, Middle Tennessee, La Tech, North Texas, Charlotte and Marshall. And he’s racked up wins against the likes of FIU, Wagner, West Kentucky and Old Dominion. There’s your facts.

So if you wanna call 25-13 at FAU an indicator that he’s a winner, and that 25-13 at FAU offsets the fact that he wrecked three different programs who are still trying to recover from his tenure, then go for it.
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Those programs are “still trying to recover” because of complete incompetence in how they’re managed, not because of anything he did.

At a bad program, he won a conference title in year 1 and appeared in the title game again in year 3, sandwiched around a 5-7 season that I’m sure includes the vast majority of the bad losses you listed.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I'm not a fan but looking at it from the other side of the coin he plugged a hole in the absolute shizshow that was Fulmer's final season and took us to a bowl. Next, his tenure at USC was hamstrung by the loss of 30 scholarships and a two-year bowl ban following the NCAA investigation of Reggie Bush, sanctions that were not imposed until Kiffin had been on he job for 6 months. Kiffin will win the press conference in Oxford (if it happens), which means they will probably get a recruiting bump in the 2020 class. The guy knows offense and he'll be in a place where he can lure talent. Glad we won't have to play him every year.
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Good points.... but I personally thought he had the talent to do better than 7-6 his first year at UT. That team had some talent. He was 5-15 with the Raiders, 28-15 at USC, and eerily similar at FAU at 25-13. Funny he got canned at USC for going 28-15 while many think he’s done a wonderful job at FAU at 25-13. FAU plays in a conference v some real scrub teams; Old Dominion, N Texas, UTEP, Texas San Antonio, FIU, La Tech and others. With the HS talent surrounding FAU, most members of this board could field a team and go 25-13 against that schedule.
 
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Jaws said:
Good points.... but I personally thought he had the talent to do better than 7-6 his first year at UT. That team had some talent.
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Talent where? With our walk-on OLs and Crompton? With linebackers like Lamarcus Thompson who were so slow that McCluster ran all over us, to the point where Berry had to go from 7 picks to essentially playing linebacker all season to cover up for them?

He was 5-15 with the Raiders, 28-15 at USC, and eerily similar at FAU at 25-13. Funny he got canned at USC for going 28-15 while many think he’s done a wonderful job at FAU at 25-13. FAU plays in a conference v some real scrub teams; Old Dominion, N Texas, UTEP, Texas San Antonio, FIU, La Tech and others. With the HS talent surrounding FAU, most members of this board could field a team and go 25-13 against that schedule.
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Then why hadn't anyone been doing it?
 
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Jaws said:
Good points.... but I personally thought he had the talent to do better than 7-6 his first year at UT. That team had some talent. He was 5-15 with the Raiders, 28-15 at USC, and eerily similar at FAU at 25-13. Funny he got canned at USC for going 28-15 while many think he’s done a wonderful job at FAU at 25-13. FAU plays in a conference v some real scrub teams; Old Dominion, N Texas, UTEP, Texas San Antonio, FIU, La Tech and others. With the HS talent surrounding FAU, most members of this board could field a team and go 25-13 against that schedule.
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Lol most members on Volnation huh? download.jpeg-4.jpg
 
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irish1485 said:
FAU went 3-9 for 3 straight seasons before he arrived... that's 9-27. I can understand your point about his first 3 stops but this is just silly. Any team would take this type of turnaround.
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Good turnaround for sure, but not an amazing turnaround. Again, he’s 25-13 there, with annual wins over Bethune Cookman and Ball State.

Anyone wanna take a stab at his signature win at FAU? Surely he’s beaten a Miami or a Wisconsin or even a UCF, right? Wrong. His biggest win was versus a 7-5 Southern Miss team. Or maybe it was his win over Navy??

He has proven one thing in his head coaching career: he’s very average. Credit to him for having some swag and generating some buzz and being colorful, but when it’s all said and done, his win/loss record will be average.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Talent where? With our walk-on OLs and Crompton?
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Eric Berry, Janzen Jackson, Montario Hardesty, Bryce Brown, Rico McCoy, Denarius Moore, Gerald Jones, Chris Walker and make fun of Crompton all you want but he had 28 TD’s that year and just shy of 3,000 yards passing. Tennessee has had less talented teams than that bunch.

And regarding “why hasn’t anyone done it before at FAU?” Well, they’ve all been no-name scrubs. I’d give you a million guesses at who coached FAU before Kiffin and unless he’s related to you, you’d never guess Charlie Partridge. Before Partridge, some guy named Brian Wright and before that, the vaunted Carl Pelini! So I guess I was wrong, I failed to heap massive praise on Kiffin for doing a slightly better job that his predecessors Partridge and Pelini. 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
 
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Jaws said:
Eric Berry, Janzen Jackson, Montario Hardesty, Bryce Brown, Rico McCoy, Denarius Moore, Gerald Jones, Chris Walker and make fun of Crompton all you want but he had 28 TD’s that year and just shy of 3,000 yards passing. Tennessee has had less talented teams than that bunch.
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Notice how few of those names are along the OL or front 7. Crompton played well, and the vast majority of that was due to Kiffin.

"I know there are a lot of Tennessee fans who don't like him because he left, but Coach Kiffin was one of the best coaches I ever played for at any level," Crompton said. "I would've run through a wall for him. He did a lot to help me develop as a quarterback."
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And regarding “why hasn’t anyone done it before at FAU?” Well, they’ve all been no-name scrubs. I’d give you a million guesses at who coached FAU before Kiffin and unless he’s related to you, you’d never guess Charlie Partridge. Before Partridge, some guy named Brian Wright and before that, the vaunted Carl Pelini! So I guess I was wrong, I failed to heap massive praise on Kiffin for doing a slightly better job that his predecessors Partridge and Pelini. 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
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Well, yeah, when you don't win at a small school, you typically don't get promoted to bigger jobs and become a household name. I think you are underselling the turnaround from 3-9 (2-6) for several years straight to 11-3 (8-0) in year one, aka with largely the same roster.
 
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BisonVol said:
It'll be interesting to see how this affects our recruiting in Memphis. Pruitt has done well with Memphis area recruits thus far, but Kiffin will make things tougher for us.
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That wont last long because the NCAA will for sure nail Ole Miss again since Lane's recruiting is highly questionable
 
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NashVol11 said:
Notice how few of those names are along the OL or front 7. Crompton played well, and the vast majority of that was due to Kiffin.





Well, yeah, when you don't win at a small school, you typically don't get promoted to bigger jobs and become a household name. I think you are underselling the turnaround from 3-9 (2-6) for several years straight to 11-3 (8-0) in year one, aka with largely the same roster.
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Didn’t mention any o-linemen because while I remembered a lot of the bigger names from that team, I did not remember the names of o-linemen. If you’re saying they all sucked, I’ll take your word for it. I just remember that 09 team being pretty good, better than 7-6. That has to be the only 7-6 team in UT history where the majority of UT fans give them a total pass, I guess because they want Kiffin to be better than he was?
 
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Kiffin's year in Knoxville was the last time TN football overachieved.
His tenure at Southern Cal was cut prematurely. He walked into a crap fest. He had a bad start to the season. It happens (if anybody, Vol fans should get this).
What he's done at FAU is the equivalent to what James Franklin did at Vandy. They've won 101 games...ever. In 3 years, Kiffin is responsible for 25 of those wins. Since joining FBS in 2004, they'd never had a 10-win season. CLK is staring down the barrel of his 2nd in 3 years. They went from 3-9 to 11-3...come on.
Solid hire for MS, if it materializes.
 
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Jaws said:
Didn’t mention any o-linemen because while I remembered a lot of the bigger names from that team, I did not remember the names of o-linemen. If you’re saying they all sucked, I’ll take your word for it. I just remember that 09 team being pretty good, better than 7-6. That has to be the only 7-6 team in UT history where the majority of UT fans give them a total pass, I guess because they want Kiffin to be better than he was?
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It's because we had just gone 5-7 with a loss to Wyoming at home and what I would describe as a thoroughly uninspiring roster, with a QB rotation of Crompton (who was then arguably the worst QB in SEC history) and Nick Stephens, and a disaster of a 2008 recruiting class that was around 35th nationally, and ended up dominating Georgia and South Carolina, coming pretty close against Saban and Meyer (especially Saban) on the road and finishing 2nd in the East in year 1.

Kiffin also put together a great coaching staff that was recruiting well and landed the #1 recruit in the country within a few months of being hired, and we actually looked well-coached as a number of players (Dan Williams, Hardesty and obviously Crompton among them) took big steps forward. It was about as promising as a first year can get without us somehow transforming from 5-7 to 10-2, and I certainly wouldn't call it a disappointing year even with a handful of secondary violations. Why do you think fans were so mad when he left?
 
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Jax_Vol said:
You are correct. Dan Mullen's SEC record is 44-44.

25-13 is much better than 44-44.
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So you’re taking Mullen’s “SEC only” record, most of which was compiled in the SEC west versus the Bama dynasty, LSU and Auburn and comparing that to Kiffin’s overall record at FAU? Yeah, that’s fair! 😂

Dan Mullen is 20-5 at his second job and likely to achieve back to back NY6 Bowl games. Lane Kiffin was 7-6 at his second job, 28-15 at his third job, 25-13 at his fourth job.

If you would take Lane Kiffin as your head coach over Dan Mullen, you’d lose.
 
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NashVol11 said:
It was about as promising as a first year can get without us somehow transforming from 5-7 to 10-2, and I certainly wouldn't call it a disappointing year even with a handful of secondary violations.
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Good post.

Someone has recently “somehow” transformed 4-7 into 10-3 and 10-2 in the SEC.

It wasn’t Lane Kiffin.
 
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