LA times bemoans an illigal immigrant not being able to afford a state school

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For an illegal immigrant, getting into UCLA was the easy part - Los Angeles Times

my favorite parts:

The average UCLA freshman boasted a 4.22 GPA in 10th and 11th grades, according to the most recent data posted by the school, and De La Cruz had a 3.365 at San Pedro High when she applied. She got a 21 out of a possible 36 on the ACT college admissions exam, ranking her in the 48th percentile in California. She scored 380 out of a possible 800 on an SAT subject test, putting her in the third percentile nationwide

How the hell did she get in if affirmitive action doesn't exist anymore?

She's an illegal immigrant, so she isn't eligible for most forms of state and federal financial aid.

Why the hell should she be eligible for ANY forms of financial aid?

Unbelievable.
 
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having a 3.3 gpa at san pedro high is like having a 2.0 at any normal public school.
 
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droski said:
having a 3.3 gpa at san pedro high is like having a 2.0 at any normal public school.
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This is related to your post in some ways. My son is a senior in high school. They released rankings for his his class. He is ranked 28th out of 156. My problem with his ranking is he has taken all advanced classes, 90% of the others have taken the bare minimum and owe their ranking to agriculture classes and shop.
 
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Doesn't sound like the student is even college material in the first place. Add on top of that that they aren't even supposed to be here from a legal standpoint...
 
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KB5252 said:
This is related to your post in some ways. My son is a senior in high school. They released rankings for his his class. He is ranked 28th out of 156. My problem with his ranking is he has taken all advanced classes, 90% of the others have taken the bare minimum and owe their ranking to agriculture classes and shop.
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they don't give add an extra 1.0 to every honors and ap course grade? that's what they do in california to determine class rank.
 
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droski said:
they don't give add an extra 1.0 to every honors and ap course grade? that's what they do in california to determine class rank.
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At my school they weighted the gpa for honors and ap
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droski said:
they don't give add an extra 1.0 to every honors and ap course grade? that's what they do in california to determine class rank.
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Not at his school apparently. He has made solid A's and B's with one C, it was a duel enrollment class that he could have received college credit for had we ponied up the money.
 
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droski said:
they don't give add an extra 1.0 to every honors and ap course grade? that's what they do in california to determine class rank.
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They don't do that as much in the East. For one, if you think about it, you have tainted the traditional 4.0 scale that way. Now it is a non-standardized scale with the upper limit being defined by how many AP or honors classes you have taken, and thus different for everyone.

Also, it gives students who go to smaller or less "developed" schools an even bigger disadvantage because they don't have the same amount of AP and honors classes.
 
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KB5252 said:
This is related to your post in some ways. My son is a senior in high school. They released rankings for his his class. He is ranked 28th out of 156. My problem with his ranking is he has taken all advanced classes, 90% of the others have taken the bare minimum and owe their ranking to agriculture classes and shop.
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happened to me too. One of our valedictorians took no advanced classes and was actually in some lower level math/science classes but was still ranked #1. I had 5 AP classes my Sr year but she was evidently much smarter based on GPA. No weighted average can really be misleading
 
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IPorange said:
They don't do that as much in the East. For one, if you think about it, you have tainted the traditional 4.0 scale that way. Now it is a non-standardized scale with the upper limit being defined by how many AP or honors classes you have taken, and thus different for everyone.

Also, it gives students who go to smaller or less "developed" schools an even bigger disadvantage because they don't have the same amount of AP and honors classes.
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That was the problem at my sons school. He took every last advanced course they offered, at larger schools there would have been much more offered to him.
 
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On the story- based on her test scores and placement exams it doesn't sound like she was even ready for a 4-yr school. Plus, if she was really so concerned about money, she would get the lower level pre-reqs out of the way at a CC and then transfer. The school counselors and teachers failed her big time (if they even had them).
 
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utvolpj said:
happened to me too. One of our valedictorians took no advanced classes and was actually in some lower level math/science classes but was still ranked #1. I had 5 AP classes my Sr year but she was evidently much smarter based on GPA. No weighted average can really be misleading
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His school is pretty small. I think it's like 700 students total and everyone knows what others are taking as far as classes go. One of his friends was also taking every advanced coarse, my wife and I my son and his friend figured that of the top twenty only around 6 to 7 were taking any advanced coarse.
 
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IPorange said:
They don't do that as much in the East. For one, if you think about it, you have tainted the traditional 4.0 scale that way. Now it is a non-standardized scale with the upper limit being defined by how many AP or honors classes you have taken, and thus different for everyone.

Also, it gives students who go to smaller or less "developed" schools an even bigger disadvantage because they don't have the same amount of AP and honors classes.
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well when it comes to getting into ucla apparently they take this into account (to a ridiculous degree).
 
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droski said:
For an illegal immigrant, getting into UCLA was the easy part - Los Angeles Times

my favorite parts:

The average UCLA freshman boasted a 4.22 GPA in 10th and 11th grades, according to the most recent data posted by the school, and De La Cruz had a 3.365 at San Pedro High when she applied. She got a 21 out of a possible 36 on the ACT college admissions exam, ranking her in the 48th percentile in California. She scored 380 out of a possible 800 on an SAT subject test, putting her in the third percentile nationwide

How the hell did she get in if affirmitive action doesn't exist anymore?

She's an illegal immigrant, so she isn't eligible for most forms of state and federal financial aid.

Why the hell should she be eligible for ANY forms of financial aid?

Unbelievable.
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brought to you by Liberalism. a mental illness coming to a town near you.
 
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KB5252 said:
This is related to your post in some ways. My son is a senior in high school. They released rankings for his his class. He is ranked 28th out of 156. My problem with his ranking is he has taken all advanced classes, 90% of the others have taken the bare minimum and owe their ranking to agriculture classes and shop.
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ACT/SAT scores are the great equalizers...regardless of class rank.
 
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utvolpj said:
not at all schools. I got the same 4pts for an A in Calculus that another student got for "College Algebra".
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AP calculus or regular calculus? regular calculus isn't an advanced class. It's deeper in math than the average student will go, but it's not considered advanced.
 
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