Labor Unions

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What are everyone's thoughts on them? I am curious to see what the level headed folks on Vol-Nation have to say.
 
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Public sector unions should be illegal.

I am fine with private sector unions if business owners are allowed to collude, too.
 
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screw labor unions, especially the people who run them.

there was a time, 70+ years ago when they served a useful purpose, but all they're good for now is casting themselves as an American version of the Palestinians.
 
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MG1968 said:
screw labor unions, especially the people who run them.

there was a time, 70+ years ago when they served a useful purpose, but all they're good for now is casting themselves as an American version of the Palestinians.
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:yes: outdated and at this point do more harm than good.
 
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MG1968 said:
screw labor unions, especially the people who run them.

there was a time, 70+ years ago when they served a useful purpose, but all they're good for now is casting themselves as an American version of the Palestinians.
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Pretty much sums up my feelings on labor unions.
 
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Unions should be subject to anti-monopoly/anti-trust laws just like businesses. They ARE a for profit business. It should require at least 3 independent, competing union bids for a company to be forced to negotiate with a union.
 
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Against public sector unions. Fine with private sector unions but believe they should be clearly chosen by the workers. Actions like the NLRB with regard to Boeing is a travesty.
 
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volinbham said:
Against public sector unions. Fine with private sector unions but believe they should be clearly chosen by the workers. Actions like the NLRB with regard to Boeing is a travesty.
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repealing the Wagner Act would go a long way in keeping the federal government out of cases like that
 
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Unions = Evil

They were never necessary.

If you don't like the pay, don't work there.
If you don't like the working conditions, don't work there.
If you think it is unsafe, don't work there.

It is wrong to use extortion and blackmail to force others to give you money or change their ways. And those are the only terms to describe what unions do.

And public unions are the worst. Who are they unionized against? THE REST OF US! Think about it.
 
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I'd go with this
volinbham said:
Against public sector unions. Fine with private sector unions but believe they should be clearly chosen by the workers. Actions like the NLRB with regard to Boeing is a travesty.
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And this as well.

RespectTradition said:
Unions = Evil

They were never necessary.

If you don't like the pay, don't work there.
If you don't like the working conditions, don't work there.
If you think it is unsafe, don't work there.

It is wrong to use extortion and blackmail to force others to give you money or change their ways. And those are the only terms to describe what unions do.

And public unions are the worst. Who are they unionized against? THE REST OF US! Think about it.
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I'll be the black sheep. I have no problem with a group of workers working toward bettering their situation. There are problems with unions; I will agree. However, there are problems with business as well. I will say that I don't agree with closed shops, but if a group of workers want to voluntarily organize, more power to them.
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Traditionally labor unions have been aligned with either
of two groups, organized crime or the communist party.

Sometimes that distinction is hard to draw.

Read the autobiography of Woody Herman and his
association with Studs Terkle who had ties to both
groups.

They took Woody Herman and sat him out on the
sidewalk in a hospital bed, dying of cancer because
Studs had ripped all his money off.

Studs Terkle was a sorry POS and so are most
big time labor union officials.
 
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Pretty much in line with MG on this one. I would be more open to private sector unions if there was a way to completely separate them from any political influence.
 
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rjd970 said:
Pretty much in line with MG on this one. I would be more open to private sector unions if there was a way to completely separate them from any political influence.
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Would you be equally supportive of separating corporate political influence?
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lawgator1 said:
Hmmmmm ....

Why would you be a steel worker and be non-union? Suspect there is a back story here that explains a lot.
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probably for the same reasons I'm a truck driver and non-union

your understanding of the private sector is as woefully inadequate as Obama's
 
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For the most part unions have been counter productive. At the end of the day the Union bosses just want to increase revenue and they do that by increasing wages/benefits. The one situation I feel they could serve a purpose, albeit in a much changed direction, are the Teacher Unions. I feel that is one example where I feel the "labor" needs to have some kind of mediation to represent them in cases where the teacher has been accused of something and they need to defend their job. However howling to the moon when the board decides to make them pay 10 percent of their health insurance vs 2 needs to go right out the window.
 
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JayVols said:
I'll be the black sheep. I have no problem with a group of workers working toward bettering their situation. There are problems with unions; I will agree. However, there are problems with business as well. I will say that I don't agree with closed shops, but if a group of workers want to voluntarily organize, more power to them.
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I have a better idea. If they don't like their company or station in life then they should work to improve it rather than demanding (extorting) that their employer pay them more than their labor is worth on the competitive market.

As long as there is competition, I am fine with private sector unions. The minute the company loses the right to say, "No thanks, I have someone who will do the same work or better for less"... is the minute they cease to be legitimate.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Hmmmmm ....

Why would you be a steel worker and be non-union? Suspect there is a back story here that explains a lot.
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If he works for the company I think he works for... then not only are they non-union.... they have had mobs of employees chase union organizers out of meetings.

That company would also be the largest and most progressive of all the US steel companies. They treat their employees very well, have a sterling safety record, have great benefits to include profit sharing...

A few years ago they had a rough year. Their executives and upper mgt refused to take bonuses and instead contributed them to the workers' bonus plan.


You really don't know much about economics or business, do you?
 
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