Lady Vols and Turnovers

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This Lady Vols team is totally lacking in basketball security. The LV had 8 more turnovers than Texas in the game on Sunday. Texas scored 14 points from those turnovers...it cost the LV the game and will continue to be a problem for the rest of the season unless corrected. Remember in one game this year they had 29 turnovers. More often they make poor decisions on basketball security, even from short distances. Coach Barnes has a "cure" for turnovers with the men...in practice a turnover results in the player having to run from the floor to the top of the arena and back. Usually that reminder results in less than 10 turnovers per game. The LV consistently has three or more players with three or more turnovers per game. Other problems with the LV against Texas was very poor defense and "free throw" shooting in the 60% range.
 
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We got up more shots than they did 72 to 69 and the free throws were 19 for each team. So the fact we couldn't shoot the ball is the ultimate reason we lost. Turnovers only have an effect when they limit your shot attempts and they didn't in this game. I guess you could say considering all the terrible shots and the easy ones we missed could be considered turnovers as they definitely cost us the game. Being able to shoot the ball is why you win or lose especially when you play well enough to get more shots than you opponent and don't lose the free throw line.
 
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pimo1 said:
Ummm you haven't been watching our men's BB very much huh?
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Yes, the UT men are experiencing considerably more turnovers than last year. Last year turnovers rarely exceeded 9 per game. Coach Barnes will not tolerate the continued turnovers either.
 
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Spook1 said:
This Lady Vols team is totally lacking in basketball security. The LV had 8 more turnovers than Texas in the game on Sunday. Texas scored 14 points from those turnovers...it cost the LV the game and will continue to be a problem for the rest of the season unless corrected. Remember in one game this year they had 29 turnovers. More often they make poor decisions on basketball security, even from short distances. Coach Barnes has a "cure" for turnovers with the men...in practice a turnover results in the player having to run from the floor to the top of the arena and back. Usually that reminder results in less than 10 turnovers per game. The LV consistently has three or more players with three or more turnovers per game. Other problems with the LV against Texas was very poor defense and "free throw" shooting in the 60% range.
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A missed, layup or 3 feet bunny rebounded by the other team feels almost like a turnover. Plus, when one of the bigs, KK usually, has a rebound in the grasp of both hands but doesn't have the strength to hang on to it..
 
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it was very, very hard to watch...the Lady Longhorns should send Coach Kellie and the Lady Vols a Christmas card because they were handed an early Christmas present...:D

GO LADY VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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As KH said in her post game that if the team learns something from this loss it will be beneficial for them. While disappointing, coaches do not always see losses like this as a bad thing. it gives them a lot of 'teaching moments' between now and the next game. Hopefully it brought them down to earth that are not as good as their record showed.
 
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Aggressive intensity is something I haven't seen. (hate to use a "Pat", but her teams had this trait) Too lackadaisical for me. Maybe as the girls mature as on court players this will change. Another factor that jumps out at me is this team just doesn't seem very strong hands, arms and legs just seem too weak for quick reaction. More training and time should fix this.
 
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savannahfan said:
Aggressive intensity is something I haven't seen. (hate to use a "Pat", but her teams had this trait) Too lackadaisical for me. Maybe as the girls mature as on court players this will change. Another factor that jumps out at me is this team just doesn't seem very strong hands, arms and legs just seem too weak for quick reaction. More training and time should fix this.
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What you see as lackadaisical just might be the fact that we have some very slow lumbering players.
 
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They take really bad shots and can’t make free throws and layups. It’s not good but fixable by good coaching. Let’s see how that progresses.
 
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Ina game with the Athletic Ability and scoring ability of TX guards whom played their best game of the year Zay not being in this game was huge. I believe she was going to be the best player on this team this year defense and offense. Kellie still has a lot to fix with this year team and past Basketball IQ. Still to much AAU in many of them.
 
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Someone once said that "the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores, eventually." What we saw yesterday was a LOT of immaturity from our guards that think they are still in high school or playing AAU ball. Our guards lost that game. Our post play was good. Too many "hero plays" from girls that haven't learned that the other players are on scholarship too and are just as good, and in some cases better than they are. They'll learn and Kellie is right, it's great video to teach from.
 
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The biggest concern I have is how do you make shooters out of players that haven't been very good since they been here. I don't think that is gonna change much and since we held them to 36 percent from the field should be a win. How do players get to the point they can't shoot 40 percent for the season. I realize one or two players will have a bad game everytime we play, but how does 7 players have a bad game? This game really lowered expectations because basketball is about scoring not about what kind of athlete you are. The sad thing is we shoot 40 from the field we win this game going away. We would've scored 75 points just shooting 40 percent. I hope we have some shooters coming in supposedly or at least at the high school level Darby is exceptional may change when she gets to the big time.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The biggest concern I have is how do you make shooters out of players that haven't been very good since they been here. I don't think that is gonna change much and since we held them to 36 percent from the field should be a win. How do players get to the point they can't shoot 40 percent for the season. I realize one or two players will have a bad game everytime we play, but how does 7 players have a bad game? This game really lowered expectations because basketball is about scoring not about what kind of athlete you are. The sad thing is we shoot 40 from the field we win this game going away. We would've scored 75 points just shooting 40 percent. I hope we have some shooters coming in supposedly or at least at the high school level Darby is exceptional may change when she gets to the big time.
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Well to me the jury is out on Darby
 
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Volfan2012 said:
We got up more shots than they did 72 to 69 and the free throws were 19 for each team. So the fact we couldn't shoot the ball is the ultimate reason we lost. Turnovers only have an effect when they limit your shot attempts and they didn't in this game. I guess you could say considering all the terrible shots and the easy ones we missed could be considered turnovers as they definitely cost us the game. Being able to shoot the ball is why you win or lose especially when you play well enough to get more shots than you opponent and don't lose the free throw line.
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That's completely ridiculous, you don't take care of the basketball against a good team then you usually loose. Having a few plays and screens to get the ball inside and stop all the individual crap would also help to. It doesn't take a lot of effort to put your arms up when you TRY to defend the perimeter to make the shots more difficult. We have not played a good game against inferior teams all year, and that is on the Coach not being tough enough, and has not required us to.
 
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allenfan1 said:
That's completely ridiculous, you don't take care of the basketball against a good team then you usually loose. Having a few plays and screens to get the ball inside and stop all the individual crap would also help to. It doesn't take a lot of effort to put your arms up when you TRY to defend the perimeter to make the shots more difficult. We have not played a good game against inferior teams all year, and that is on the Coach not being tough enough, and has not required us to.
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14 TOs against TX was not excessive and down from what the LVs had been doing. On balance, the 30% shooting and 56% from the line had more to do with the loss than the TOs.

[Some of the TOs were consequential. Brown opened up the game with a terrible, telegraphed pass that led to a Texas lay-up. Rennie basically handed the ball to a Texas player, leading to a transition score, at a pivotal time in the game. But if the LVs shot a more reasonable %, we are not even having this discussion).

The defense was not that bad. Texas only shot 36% from the field. the LVs were just abysmally worse.

I am not sure about your complaint on the arms up. That is pretty much what they did but sometimes they were too slow to close out or lost the shooter.

The offense seemed too stagnant in many possessions (and in the 4th quarter particularly).

But, they still got plenty of good shot opportunities. Jazz missing floaters in the lane; players blowing lay-ups; our post not being able to finish more often than not.

I am not sure Kellie needs to "be tougher" but she has got to figure out why this team can't shoot.
 
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Regarding some of my views on timeouts ...

When the girls are throwing up silly shots, dribbling off their feet or making mistakes like that it is a cry for help. When an offense that has been running fluid begins to stagnate it is a cry for help . When the team is beating up on you and your girls are looking to the bench it is a cry for help. That's my philosophy. And it has been for my entire coaching experience ... time out. And it's not an exact science but it does have traceable experiences.

I consider that you have a minimum of eight timeouts in a game. And you could say that you have 12. You are given four. The other coaches given four. And there is one near the 3-minute Mark plus or minus of every quarter so that's another four.

I will usually consider a timeout four runs of four to five points and a close game. And never let I run out of more than seven or eight points happened with that one. The reason I use them early is the way I look at it if you give up a couple of runs of 6 points you've given up 12 points. And you're probably in trouble by then anyway.

And over 40 years of coaching and a few more washing I have only seen about a handful of games where four time as at the end of the game was beneficial. Most of the time if you have to use two timeouts at the end of a game your toast is cooked anyway.
 
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