Lawyers...go figure

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In Law Schools, Grades Go Up, Just Like That


Law schools seem to view higher grades as one way to rescue their students from the tough economic climate — and perhaps more to the point, to protect their own reputations and rankings. Once able to practically guarantee gainful employment to thousands of students every year, the schools are now fielding complaints from more and more unemployed graduates, frequently drowning in student debt.
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I can't stop laughing.
 
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This is ridiculous and I'm a lawyer
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droski said:
yup most mba programs have at least a 40% A, 30% B curve.
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Our university has a policy (as do most) that any graduate degree requires at least a 3.0 to graduate.

We don't have set grade distributions but via applicant screening and general seriousness of students making a C or lower is relatively uncommon. In a class of 30 students I might have one C.

Surprisingly, I've given out more Fs in my MBA classes than my undergrad classes.
 
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Graduate programs are also much more restrictive then undergrad. When I completed my MBA, a 3.0 was required at all times, not just to graduate. Only 2 C's were allowed, which put you on probation as well as dropping under a 3.0. You had one quarter to correct above a 3.0, or dismissal. Also dismissal for 3rd C. Any single grade under a C was dismissal.
 
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GVF said:
Graduate programs are also much more restrictive then undergrad. When I completed my MBA, a 3.0 was required at all times, not just to graduate. Only 2 C's were allowed, which put you on probation as well as dropping under a 3.0. You had one quarter to correct above a 3.0, or dismissal. Also dismissal for 3rd C. Any single grade under a C was dismissal.
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It's typically a 2.0 for law school. This rampant grade inflation from law schools with low employment stats is just silly. Legal employers look at class rank - not GPA - when sifting though potential hires. Changing one's GPA has no effect on class rank so those poor performers will have an equally difficult road to employment.
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volinbham said:
Our university has a policy (as do most) that any graduate degree requires at least a 3.0 to graduate.

We don't have set grade distributions but via applicant screening and general seriousness of students making a C or lower is relatively uncommon. In a class of 30 students I might have one C.

Surprisingly, I've given out more Fs in my MBA classes than my undergrad classes.
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sounds like it was even worse than it was when i was in undergrad. it always pissed me off that the business undergrads had such a ridiculous curve, while the econ classes had essentially a C average. the argument given was that they were just so much smarter than the rest of the university. very stanfurdian of them. i took many an undergrad business course and they were among the easiest As i ever got.
 
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droski said:
sounds like it was even worse than it was when i was in undergrad. it always pissed me off that the business undergrads had such a ridiculous curve, while the econ classes had essentially a C average. the argument given was that they were just so much smarter than the rest of the university. very stanfurdian of them. i took many an undergrad business course and they were among the easiest As i ever got.
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Grad and undergrad are different. Grad (as another poster pointed out) has a 3.0 minimum GPA for graduation. That is very common across programs and schools.

Undergrad maybe 2.0 or lower. We have plenty of grads with GPAs in the 2's from our B-school.
 
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GVF said:
Graduate programs are also much more restrictive then undergrad. When I completed my MBA, a 3.0 was required at all times, not just to graduate. Only 2 C's were allowed, which put you on probation as well as dropping under a 3.0. You had one quarter to correct above a 3.0, or dismissal. Also dismissal for 3rd C. Any single grade under a C was dismissal.
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We are similar. 3 Cs and out. Anytime the GPA falls below 3.0 you have one semester to get it back. People have been kicked out when 1/2 way through if they can't meet this standard.
 
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You had to pull up seriously lame to get a C in my graduate courses. However, you also had to really put up some numbers to get an A in the core courses. A lot of Bs. You can retake a class or two if you get Cs...but typically quals are going to get you if you are making Cs. I have known a few people to pass quals but make a C in a core course that they retook.
 
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TennTradition said:
You had to pull up seriously lame to get a C in my graduate courses. However, you also had to really put up some numbers to get an A in the core courses. A lot of Bs. You can retake a class or two if you get Cs...but typically quals are going to get you if you are making Cs. I have known a few people to pass quals but make a C in a core course that they retook.
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This is my approach. Since a 3.0 is technically the minimum; a B is pretty much expected if you do the work appropriately and demonstrate understanding of the material. An A requires mastery of the material.

You do have to be lame (don't do assignments; bomb tests; don't contribute at all to class) to make a C. There are no Ds. If you can't make a C it's F.
 
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paul1454 said:
It's typically a 2.0 for law school. This rampant grade inflation from law schools with low employment stats is just silly. Legal employers look at class rank - not GPA - when sifting though potential hires. Changing one's GPA has no effect on class rank so those poor performers will have an equally difficult road to employment.
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So as long as you're the least dumb in a class of dummies you're OK?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Florida has 8 law schools that I can think of right now. That's about 5 too many.
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Really? Why would that be too many? I suppose it is because the greater the supply of attorneys, the lower the cost of legal assistance. Adding to the supply of lawyers doesn't seem so bad to me.
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TennTradition said:
You had to pull up seriously lame to get a C in my graduate courses. However, you also had to really put up some numbers to get an A in the core courses. A lot of Bs. You can retake a class or two if you get Cs...but typically quals are going to get you if you are making Cs. I have known a few people to pass quals but make a C in a core course that they retook.
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Same for us. More As than I thought were warranted, but you were essentially an AM if you made a C in anything.
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